# Puppy! Looking into getting one! Newfoundland!?! Extra punctuation!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2005, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999 "2005-07-04T09:04:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/21 "2005-07-04T20:15:54Z")
We had a Pyreneean Mountain Dog or Great Pyrenees Dog, as they’re known in the USA. She lived to be 9, and was always in great health. She was incredibly placid and docile, and very good with small kids, but would protect her family…she used to sit by my baby sister’s prma and bark at people who came within 6 feet of her. However. 1. Not a smart dog. I mean, really, not bright. She used to jump through plate glass windows if there was something she wanted on the other side of them (thick fur, so she was never harmed). 2. Hard to train. There is a basic “I’m so big, you can’t make me do anything I don’t want to do” attitude with very large dogs. She was very strong, and if she decided to run, your choice was to drop the leash, or have your shoulder dislocated. 3. White fur and drool everywhere, plus, if she got up on her back legs, she could put her front paws on your shoulders and lick you face…which was not always welcome! Lest you think my parents are just terrible at training dogs, they now have a labrador/alsation cross who has a repertoire of more than 20 tricks, and has never tried to run off while on a leash, nor jumped through a window! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/22 "2005-07-04T20:31:25Z")
> [@blackhobyah](#): > > Dogs of all ages can be trained … my Neo came to me at two, pretty much completely untrained, not even house-trained, in fact I don’t think he’d ever even been in a house. A year later he lives happily inside with the other dogs and cats, he’s clean in the house, and pretty easy to live with … and they don’t come much more stubborn than Neapolitan Mastiffs. Excellent, thanks for that info. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > If you’re not used to dogs or haven’t had one since you were a kid, I’d recommend maybe getting a good trainer to come and give you a couple of private lessons, it can be amazingly useful. Probably a very good bet. I’ve not had a dog since I was a young kid, and my girlfriend’s never trained any of the larger breeds. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > If you’re not going to be able to be home during the day, it might be very hard on a puppy. I did it with a puppy, but mine was outside in a big run with a couple of doggy companions, and he managed very well. Well, I’d like to think that the pup might be happy playing with the cat and ferret, but I just don’t know. I’m also looking into a puppy day care type of setup. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > But if you’re going to crate your Newfy inside it’s a pretty long day. Remember, the big dogs only stay in crates out of courtesy, they can get out of them if they really want to. Hmmm. Good point. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > Have you considered an older dog? I’ve only had a couple of puppies in my dog-owning life, and I don’t think the older dogs were any harder to train or bond with, and they were certainly a lot easier to manage. I would be a bit worried about an older dog chasing after the cat/ferret and doing some damage. It seems that a younger dog should be a bit malleable, but your suggestion of crate training sounds like a good idea. We might get an older dog, but I think we’d both prefer a puppy. I know it sound horrible, and older dogs need homes too, but we’re looking forward to the task of raising an energetic destructive lil’ pup. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > If you get a puppy, please read up on the nutritional requirements for giant breeds … you can do enormous harm to the big guys by over-feeding them as puppies or feeding them the wrong things and growing them too fast. Most commercial puppy foods are the wrong things. Have a look on the web for a site by “the Great Dane Lady” … she has a lot of good advice about feeding giant breed dogs. Thanks for the heads up, I’ll make sure to research proper nutrition well before we actually adopt a pup. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > You also don’t want to over-exercise young dogs, particularly young, giant breeds, so do some reading around that as well. The better you look after them as young ones, the sounder older dog you are likely to have. Intersting… I’ll have to read up on that. I’d have thought that having a happy tuckered out pup would be good. I’ll have to learn more. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > You might also contact the Newfoundland Club and ask them for details of breed rescue rather than going through the pounds. Just put in an email, thanks for the suggestion. We might still end up going with a pound dog, but it can’t hurt to find out as much as possible. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > Although using the pounds is certainly admirable, if you’re new to dogs or giant breeds, there’s something to be said for taking on a known quantity. Dealing with a very large dog with a lot of baggage can be hard work (if ulimately very rewarding work). Well, the pup we’re looking at isn’t listed as having any real problems, just being very energetic and needing a lot of play time. But, yes, we’ll look into options, thanks for making them a bit more evident for me. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > Carefully introduced, most dogs and cats will manage to get along. Again, my Neo as an example, went ballistic the first time he saw one of my cats, and I thought I wasn’t going to be able to keep him. But I crate-trained him in the house, he got used to the cats and realised they were part of the household, and today will curl up and sleep with a couple of cats beside him. I think I’ll have to have a talk with my gf. She’s somewhat of a hippy chick, and I don’t think she’s agree to crating a dog without some substantial vetrinary/behavioral evidence on my side before I suggest it. Then again, I also don’t think she’d like to get her kitty eaten. (Not like that! Perverts! :D) > [@blackhobyah](#): > > But you do want to be careful and make sure you supervise the big dog with the smaller animals … an excited puppy of that size can do a lot of harm without meaning too. Well, ideally I’d like to train the puppy to play nice with the other pets, but I suppose I’ll have to read up more on that and/or speak to some breeders/vets/trainers. > [@blackhobyah](#): > > Newfies are gorgeous dogs, good luck with your search. I hope there will be lots and lots of pictures. Thanks much! And yes, of course, there will be lots of pictures once we settle on a doggy. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/23 "2005-07-04T20:48:02Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > 1. Not a smart dog. I mean, really, not bright. She used to jump through plate glass windows if there was something she wanted on the other side of them (thick fur, so she was never harmed). Yikes! > [@irishgirl](#): > > 1. Hard to train. There is a basic “I’m so big, you can’t make me do anything I don’t want to do” attitude with very large dogs. She was very strong, and if she decided to run, your choice was to drop the leash, or have your shoulder dislocated. I wonder… I’m a six foot tall bear-esque kinda guy with a deep voice when I want. I wonder if I wouldn’t be able to show a pup who was boss simply by acting like the top dog. I’d also wonder if I might not be able to win in a contest of strength, although I’d rather it didn’t get to that point of course. > [@irishgirl](#): > > 1. White fur and drool everywhere, plus, if she got up on her back legs, she could put her front paws on your shoulders and lick you face…which was not always welcome! Well, we’d have to train a pup not to do that to guests. That always pissed me off if I was visiting someone’s house and their dog bowled me over. I like playing with dogs. I don’t like concussions all that much. > [@irishgirl](#): > > Lest you think my parents are just terrible at training dogs, they now have a labrador/alsation cross who has a repertoire of more than 20 tricks, and has never tried to run off while on a leash, nor jumped through a window! Good to know! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/24 "2005-07-04T21:02:13Z")
Trust me, our dog was about 5’6’’ tall when she stood up and weighed over 100kgs. You would not have won a test of strength. She was once attacked by 2 Alsatians, while on a walk. She didn’t attack them…she lay on them. They had her by the throat and she just lay down on her side and squashed them until they let go. Then she allowed them back up again, and went on to enjoy the rest of her walk. Very placid, but like I said, big and dumb. She was for the most part very obedient, fully housetrained, walked to heel, didn’t beg at the table etc. However, if she knew you were heading back to the car at the end of her walk, and she didn’t feel like she had taken enough exercise, she would just run in the opposite dircection to the car. She got a 2 hour walk in a forest park or on a beach every Sunday, and a large garden to run about in, so she wasn’t exactly starved of exercise either. (The only people she ever jumped up on were my parents and my sisters, never strangers. She was just so thrilled to see family that she jumped on us.) ---
**Author:** ![blackhobyah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blackhobyah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blackhobyah)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/25 "2005-07-04T23:41:09Z")
I wasn’t reading well enough … I just noticed that the puppy you’re interested in is a Newf X Husky. Thing is, the reason people buy purebreed dogs is not just because they like the way they look … it’s also because, within the vagaries of nature, you can have some confidence that you’ll know something about their behaviour. An average example of a particular breed is likely to behaviour like others of the same breed. So, if you want a herding dog, you’ll look at Border Collies or Kelpies or Corgis. If you want a guardian breed you might look at Maremmas or Pyrs. To work out whether a dog is likely to suit you, you need to look at what it was bred for … if you want a laid back, lap dog, you probably shouldn’t be looking at working breeds, for example. Somewhere in the last couple of years, there was a very long, and ultimately acrimonious discussion on the Dope about the heritability of behaviour, which has lots of good information about this issue, as a well as a few lunatic opinions … worth searching for. This is a long way around saying, that if you buy a cross-breed puppy, you really won’t know what you’ll be getting. I hasten to add that I have nothing against cross-breeds, of my five dogs, four of them are mixes of various kinds. What it did mean was that I couldn’t make much of a prediction about what kind of temperament those dogs were likely to have, based on their breeding. Huskies were bred for hard work and independent thinking, great dogs if you accept them on their own terms, and don’t mind an escape artists who sheds like nobody’s business. 😃 With a cross-breed, you might end up with a puppy who looks like a Newf and acts like a Newf, you might get one which looks like a Newf and acts like a Husky, or vice versa. You might get one which shares the best and worst traits of its parents, you really have no way of knowing. This doesn’t have to be a bad thing, dogs are, I believe, by and large as good as their owners let them be, so your puppy will be pretty much what you make of it. But some percentage of your puppy’s behaviour will be genetically determined, and you can’t really predict that with a cross-breed puppy. Huskies and Malamutes, for example, are not always good with smaller animals, they tend to a high prey drive. They can also be a little harder to train because they have their own ideas about things, because that’s part of what the breed is about. What I’m suggesting is that with this puppy, you won’t necessarily be able to expect Newf-like behaviour, you’re going to have to take the puppy on its own terms, and deal with whatever kind of dog the genetic mix throws up. This is true of all dogs of course, purebreed or not, but purebreed behaviour is likely to be a bit more predictable. As long as you’re committed to the dog you have in front of you rather than some imaginary dog, you’ll doubtless end up with a loyal friend and good companion, but it’s something to be conscious of. And just because your puppy is a mix of two breeds doesn’t mean that you won’t have to worry about inherited diseases. Both Newfoundlands and Huskies are prone to hip dysplasia, as an example, so crossing two different breeds prone to the same problem, gives you just as much of a chance of offspring with problems. I was never a fan of crating until I took on a 50kg, untrained Neapolitan Mastiff, at which point I became a fan. It allowed him to be in the house without being a danger to my cats or my house. I bought a giant-sized crate, so he had plenty of room, and it was really just a training tool. Once I was confident he was house-trained and safe with the cats and other dogs, I stopped crating him. Without the crate I’m not sure I would have been able to have him as a house dog. Many dogs enjoy their crates, they see them as their den, a safe place to go for some peace and quiet. Crating will assist with house training, and it will help keep a puppy safe (so it’s not eating things that might kill it), while keep your house safe from a sharp-toothed, hyperactive, destructo machine, when you’re not around to supervise. Do a bit of searching for articles on crate training and see what you think. I hope I haven’t come across as trying to put you off this puppy, because that wasn’t at all my intention. The sad reality is that many dogs end up in pounds because people bought dogs unsuitable for their skills or circumstances. If you have an idea of what you’re getting into, you’re going to be in a much better position of having a dog you’ll be happy with for the long-term. Breed rescues, btw, often take dogs from pounds and shelters, as well as picking up surrendered dogs before they get to shelters, so if you decided to go that route, you’d still be saving a pound dog. I haven’t found male dogs to be more aggressive, particularly when they’re desexed, all of my dogs are desexed males and they live happily together. The puppy in your picture is very cute, and whatever mix she is, with good care and consistent training she’ll be a wonderful dog. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/26 "2005-07-05T01:27:52Z")
Cool. Thanks for the long fact filled post. I’ve certainly got a lot to mull over. ---
**Author:** ![Ashes\_Ashes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@Ashes\_Ashes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashes_Ashes)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/27 "2005-07-05T02:24:36Z")
Is there any way you can take an adult Newfie for a test spin? Two friends of mine adopted a Newfie about ten years ago and it was \*a lot \* more dog than they anticipated. They had a decent sized two bedroom apartment, a cat and hamsters. They figured a newfie is about the size of an adult when full grown and it wouldn’t be too bad if there were three people in their apartment. Ha! That dog was a good, sweet guy, and well trained, but he was a huuuuge presence. Like having two extra roomates, really, and crazy ones at that. It led to a lot of arguments and stress, which is not good for a relationship. Me personally, I would wait until you’ve lived together for a few months and then see about a smaller breed. When you two have your neat house with a big yard, _that’s_ when to get the newfie. Because they’re fun doggies, so soft and furry! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/28 "2005-07-05T02:47:08Z")
Well, we’ll wait to get a dog until we have a good apartment/house with a large yard. I’ll look into dog sitting a Newfie though, that sounds like a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/29 "2005-07-05T05:58:03Z")
My brother has a Newfie, a St. Bernard, and three greyhounds. That doesn’t count the foster-home greys that are awaiting adoption. Needless to say, he’s an experienced dog trainer. He says Newfies are smart, gentle, and trainable. You wouldn’t think a big galumphing furball would be a good swimmer, but Newfies are famous for water rescue. There are competitions for towing lifeboats. I’ll confirm the drool thing. You will need a steady supply of hand towels or rolls of paper towels. Newfie owners say the breed does not just shed. Twice a year, she “blows coat.” You can lose a pair of shoes in the fuzz. The problems with its legs are a sad reality. It’s heartbreaking to see an old Newfie struggling just to get to the water dish. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/30 "2005-07-05T18:18:37Z")
[The Newfoundland Mailing List FAQ](http://www.gad.net/Newf-FAQ/Newf-FAQ_06.html) mentions “drool on the ceiling” as a possibility with a Newfie. They also say that, before getting a Newfie, you should: > [@](#): > > Read this FAQ again, then make sure you can live with the inconvenience, drool, hair, vet bills, drool, muddy floors, drool, missing underwear, crying puppy and drool. So yes, they drool. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/31 "2005-07-05T19:18:19Z")
Hehe, so, check on the drooling. But I’m curious about this missing underwear thing… gotta read up on that. ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/32 "2005-07-05T19:32:09Z")
**FinnAgain** , most dogs love smelly bits of their owners clothing. You haven’t lived until your puppy has run into a room full of company with a bra/sock/piece of underwear stolen from the laundry basket in his mouth. Extra points if he starts chewing on the crotch of the underwear. Dogs are disgusting. Sweet, but disgusting. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/33 "2005-07-05T19:33:02Z")
One comment from someone who is not a parent or a dog lover: If you are thinking about getting a puppy because it is “almost as much work as a baby” keep in mind this: Human babies start out small and unable to locomote. You have time to relocate delicate items out of reach, then time to teach what can be touched and what can not. And even with a two year old- one can place many items out of reach. (Although my two year old niece can and does move her high chair so that she can climb up to things she’s not supposed to.) You, on the other hand, are considering a puppy of a “giant” breed of dog. Putting things up higher will not buy you nearly as much protection for the item. Also, even at two, the human toddler can generally be grabbed and moved much more easily than your chosen breed of dog can be. Also, a word of warning about the (potential) hazards of having several pets of varying sizes: I know a Great Dane who doesn’t seem to understand that given that he is the size of a small pony, behavior which is cute in the Shih Tzu and the Jack Russel Terrier with whom he shares his house is NOT cute in him. Mostly this involves climbing on furniture and licking faces. 'Course remember- I’m not a dog person. The dog person I was with seemed not to find an enormous doggy head approaching the face nearly as objectionable as I did. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/34 "2005-07-05T20:43:22Z")
Thanks **Archergal**. I’ll make sure to bury any truly risque bits down at the bottom of the hamper 😃 **Eureka** I do understand that the dynamic is different, of course. I’ve got in mind the ammount of energy and attention it takes, not the specific actions. But thanks for pointing that out. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/35 "2005-07-05T20:43:32Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > You might want to check out [Gentle Giants Rescue](http://www.gentlegiantsrescue.com/) if for no other reason than the pictures are amazing Thanks for the linky! I glanced at some of the pictures, and my eyes bugged out at the picture of a bunch of mastiffs and great danes. …With one collie in the middle. The poor collie looked like a midget! :eek: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ashes\_Ashes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@Ashes\_Ashes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashes_Ashes)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/36 "2005-07-05T20:55:18Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > **FinnAgain** , most dogs love smelly bits of their owners clothing. You haven’t lived until your puppy has run into a room full of company with a bra/sock/piece of underwear stolen from the laundry basket in his mouth. > > Extra points if he starts chewing on the crotch of the underwear. > > Dogs are disgusting. Sweet, but disgusting. 🙂 And don’t forget the bathroom trash can! Nothing like coming home and finding _stuff_ chewed up and strewn throughout the house. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/37 "2005-07-05T20:58:10Z")
**lizardling** : The Sasquatch dog is by far my favorite. It looks like a cross between a goldie and a newfie, complete with the goldie smile. But I can’t seem to find any info on them online. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/38 "2005-07-05T21:13:15Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Thanks for the linky! I glanced at some of the pictures, and my eyes bugged out at the picture of a bunch of mastiffs and great danes. …With one collie in the middle. The poor collie looked like a midget! :eek: :eek: Hey, I can’t find that photo… Wanna see collie… 😛 My collie (possibly collie/sheltie mix) is about 55lb right now, and that’s as big a dog as I want to deal with. She can drag a queen-size mattress right off the frame. :eek: > [@Archergal](#): > > FinnAgain, most dogs love smelly bits of their owners clothing. You haven’t lived until your puppy has run into a room full of company with a bra/sock/piece of underwear stolen from the laundry basket in his mouth. Extra points if he starts chewing on the crotch of the underwear. I once put on my shorts and stepped outside, and only then noticed there’s a gaping hole in my shorts - right at the crotch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/39 "2005-07-05T21:19:05Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Hey, I can’t find that photo… Wanna see collie… 😛 > > My collie (possibly collie/sheltie mix) is about 55lb right now, and that’s as big a dog as I want to deal with. She can drag a queen-size mattress right off the frame. :eek: Correction: it was on the [Irish wolfhound page](http://www.gentlegiantsrescue.com/irish_wolfhounds_page_2.htm). The shorthaired dogs in the picture threw me off. Also, was anyone else thinking of Hooch in ‘Turner and Hooch’ when reading the discussion about drool, drool, and more drool? 😛 (What was Hooch supposed to be, besides one huge beast?) ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999/40 "2005-07-05T21:36:39Z")
Hooch was a [[http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doguedebordeax.htm](http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doguedebordeax.htm)]Dogue de Bordeaux. Big old dogs from the mastiff gene pool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-looking-into-getting-one-newfoundland-extra-punctuation/310999.md?page=3)