# Puppy-pitching Bosnia girl found **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 27, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235 "2010-09-27T16:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/61 "2010-09-29T23:56:57Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > My main concern is the apparent glee with which she carried out her task. I’d say to watch this child for signs of antisocial behavior as she grows. > > It’s worth mentioning that for any child who has the gift of empathy killing puppies would be very difficult and that there is a possibility that, as a defense, she created a “fun” scenario to avoid feeling the pain of what she was doing, much in the same way that some people put on an air of toughness and indiference when they are hurting. > > Without knowing the nature of the grandmother’s request or the child’s homelife it’s difficult to tell what her cavalier attitude was about. I didn’t see any “glee” in the video. She did it as quickly as she could, and only gave one halfhearted “Wheee!”. Compare to the video of the marine a few years ago who was holding up the dog and saying “Aww, look at the cute puppy!” and smiling and laughing before launching it off the cliff. I’m definitely subscribing to the theory that they had to be killed, no vet available/within the budget, and this was a straightforward and easy way of doing it. And I’d say “businesslike” is more accurate than “cavalier”. And I’m also going to go out on a limb here, and say if a video was posted of a teenage girl breaking the necks of 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Crunch!” on one of them, or decapitating 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Thwack!” on one of them, the outrage would be 100 times greater. ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/62 "2010-09-30T01:13:58Z")
[quote=“muldoonthief, post:61, topic:555235”] > [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > And I’m also going to go out on a limb here, and say if a video was posted of a teenage girl breaking the necks of 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Crunch!” on one of them, or decapitating 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Thwack!” on one of them, the outrage would be 100 times greater. I can’t even imagine what the reaction of the American internets would be to that. Some vigilante would probably murder the kid. I found it really disturbing how many people advocated drowning and otherwise killing and/or hurting this girl as punishment. I know it’s just the internet and people say fucked-up things, but jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/63 "2010-09-30T02:48:17Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Eh…I don’t know. I have laughed and giggled at my own dad’s funeral, and when he died, that was the absolute saddest time of my entire life, bar none. So I don’t think it is ok to look at someone and judge them based on how you read their emotion. It is very possible she has developed some kind of dark sense of humor about the grisly tasks she sometimes has to perform. She really didn’t seem to be torturing the animals, so I don’t know why people are throwing out the ol’ ‘if you torture an animal, that is a symptom of pathology’ thing. She was doing a dirty duty that I have never been faced with, so maybe I am just being extra soft; because I feed my kid meat every day, and I’ve never had to kill an animal. Did you laugh at the fact that he died, and how it happened? Or were you remembering the good times you had with your father? The latter happens at almost every funeral I’ve ever been to. Having a “dark sense of humor” while she’s basically drowning puppies – not nearly the same thing. But I don’t think in this case it can be a case of “gallows humor.” :rolleyes: (And she’s not acting like this task is some manditory chore. She’s basically pretending to be Roger Clemens with those poor puppies. She has to put them down? Fine. But do it humanely, and don’t film it and sit there and giggle.) It’s not the animal – it’s liking the pain and the act of killing itself. Oh, and I don’t advocate torturing said girl. But I still stand by what I said – to take pleasure in killing animals isn’t normal. And if it were up to me, I’d say she should be checked out by a professional. ---
**Author:** ![BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/64 "2010-10-01T02:39:48Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I didn’t see any “glee” in the video. She did it as quickly as she could, and only gave one halfhearted “Wheee!”. Compare to the video of the marine a few years ago who was holding up the dog and saying “Aww, look at the cute puppy!” and smiling and laughing before launching it off the cliff. I’m with you. I didn’t really see much glee in it, either. And I’m going to guess that drowning isn’t as horrible for a 3-day-old pup as might be imagined. They don’t even have their eyes open, so they can’t really struggle, and they have no idea what’s going on around them. I’m thinking that this is as humane as someone trying to take an ax or rock to their heads, and possibly screwing up a whack here or there. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/65 "2010-10-17T13:04:49Z")
> [@rhubarbarin](#): > > But I don’t think that she’s a sociopath or necessarily emotionally disturbed or deficient in any way. Or that the incident deserved sensational national news coverage, the rage of millions, and personal harassment and death threats of a girl who is less than 16 years old. I don’t think having fun killing animals, or at least killing animals without bad feelings or guilt over it, is intrinsically wrong or a sign of emotional problems. I don’t think drowning is ‘torture’. Downing is torture…as noted earlier the likes of the Inquisition used water boarding to simulate drowning as a method of torture. Anyway, I am coming back to this thread to up the ante of some (reportedly) Bosnian boys setting a cat on fire. Yes really (at least the cat on fire bit) and I **STRONGLY** urge people to be careful watching the linked video. It is as advertised and exceptionally disturbing. The boys seem to be getting a chuckle out of it. Filmed it and posted it online. Anyone want to defend them as more of, “That’s just how they roll over there”? Link is in spoiler box to avoid accidental clicking: **DISTURBING VIDEO OF A CAT BEING SET ON FIRE** : [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=482_1287082745) (In case anyone is wondering how I came across this it was posted to Reddit which I roam on occasion: [Reddit - The heart of the internet](http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/ds3hn/bosnia_kids_set_cat_on_fire_sick_bastards/) (this link is safe to the comments section on that video) ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/66 "2010-10-17T16:17:57Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > …Anyone want to defend them as more of, “That’s just how they roll over there”?.. I think this is a really stupid thing to say. Is it ok for me to say that in MPSIMS? Is that wrong for me to say? I think that you just said some of the stupidest shit I have ever heard. I remain unconvinced that newborn puppies being drowned even feel pain the same as adult humans do, let alone feel ‘waterboarded’. But even if they do, and they may, I don’t know, that still doesn’t cancel out how stupid the quoted statement is. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/67 "2010-10-18T03:58:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Downing is torture…as noted earlier the likes of the Inquisition used water boarding to simulate drowning as a method of torture. > > Anyway, I am coming back to this thread to up the ante of some (reportedly) Bosnian boys setting a cat on fire. > > Yes really (at least the cat on fire bit) and I **STRONGLY** urge people to be careful watching the linked video. It is as advertised and exceptionally disturbing. > > The boys seem to be getting a chuckle out of it. Filmed it and posted it online. > > Anyone want to defend them as more of, “That’s just how they roll over there”? > > Link is in spoiler box to avoid accidental clicking: > > **DISTURBING VIDEO OF A CAT BEING SET ON FIRE** : [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=482_1287082745) > > (In case anyone is wondering how I came across this it was posted to Reddit which I roam on occasion: [Reddit - The heart of the internet](http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/ds3hn/bosnia_kids_set_cat_on_fire_sick_bastards/) (this link is safe to the comments section on that video) How do you make a dog meow? Put it in the freezer for a week then run it thru a bandsaw…meeeeeooowwww How do you make a dog woof? Douse it in petrol then throw a match at it. “whoooof” ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/68 "2010-10-18T04:26:19Z")
> [@Peeta\_Mellark](#): > > Fact is, when people are okay with killing animals with their own hands they’re not always gonna treat it with honor and respect and solemnity. Some of them are gonna giggle and crack jokes. It’s unfortunate, but it’s just not that _shocking_. Indeed. Some people ought to see the inside of the slaughterhouse their grocery store meat comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/69 "2010-10-19T19:02:18Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I think this is a really stupid thing to say. Is it ok for me to say that in MPSIMS? Is that wrong for me to say? I think that you just said some of the stupidest shit I have ever heard. How so? People in this thread defended the girl’s actions by stating culturally (over there) people just do not view dogs as pets as we do thus somehow making it ok. So, here are some boys from roughly the same part of the world torturing a cat. Does their explanation still apply? > [@](#): > > I remain unconvinced that newborn puppies being drowned even feel pain the same as adult humans do, let alone feel ‘waterboarded’. But even if they do, and they may, I don’t know, that still doesn’t cancel out how stupid the quoted statement is. Now this is absurd. Presumably you can’t be sure the cat feels being set on fire the same as a human would so I suppose you think it is no big deal to set cats on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/70 "2010-10-19T19:23:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How so? > > People in this thread defended the girl’s actions by stating culturally (over there) people just do not view dogs as pets as we do thus somehow making it ok. > > So, here are some boys from roughly the same part of the world torturing a cat. Does their explanation still apply? I don’t think it’s as much an “over there” cultural thing as it is a rural vs. urban/suburban culture. Most animals that urban/sububan folks deal with are domesticated pets. Rural folks who have grown up on farms around cows, pigs, chickens, etc. are more used to the idea of killing animals out of necessity. All BigMacs and chicken McNuggets have to come from somewhere, urban folk prefer not be privy to the gruesome means. The girl seemed to be carrying out an unlikeable necessity in an efficient manner. Get rid of grandma’s diseased dogs. The boys are a different matter. Unnecessary torture for entertainment? They have issues. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/71 "2010-10-19T19:38:18Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Now this is absurd. > > Presumably you can’t be sure the cat feels being set on fire the same as a human would so I suppose you think it is no big deal to set cats on fire. I can’t understand why you keep leaning this way. Follow me closely… _ **If** _ you are from a culture that may have to sometimes cheaply dispense of sick and diseased pups _ **If** _ brand new pups don’t feel pain the same as we do _ **Then** _ it may be understandable for the pups to be drowned as a way of putting them down. That has NOTHING to do with people setting kitties ablaze for fun. I have to believe you are pulling my leg with the point-missing. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/72 "2010-10-19T22:25:50Z")
Follow me closely… > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > _ **If** _ you are from a culture that may have to sometimes cheaply dispense of sick and diseased pups _ **If** _ we assume the pups were indeed sick and diseased (we can’t know and it could have been the case but also seems a convenient after-the-fact way to absolve themselves of trouble…I’m on the fence on that one). _ **If** _ we are ok with a young girl giggling as she tosses puppies into a river. _ **If** _ we are ok with someone filming the event and posting it to the internet as some kind of entertainment. > [@](#): > > _ **If** _ brand new pups don’t feel pain the same as we do _ **If** _ you want to make that wholly unwarranted leap that has no logical underpinnings. Drowning is indisputably an unpleasant experience and I know for a fact puppies feel pain and experience fear. Mother Nature tends to hardwire that stuff into most life forms…certainly one as advanced as a dog (even when young). > [@](#): > > _ **Then** _ it may be understandable for the pups to be drowned as a way of putting them down. An awful lot of “ifs” to get there. > [@](#): > > That has NOTHING to do with people setting kitties ablaze for fun. Kids torturing animals while filming themselves doing it and seemingly have a good time doing it. I’d call that a similarity. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/73 "2010-10-19T22:33:12Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > The girl seemed to be carrying out an unlikeable necessity in an efficient manner. As I pointed out in the pit thread, this is rubbish. Efficient would have been upending the bag/bucket and tipping the puppies in all at once. Lobbing them one by one has nothing to do with efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/74 "2010-10-19T22:34:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > _ **If** _ you want to make that wholly unwarranted leap that has no logical underpinnings. Drowning is indisputably an unpleasant experience and I know for a fact puppies feel pain and experience fear. **follows Whack-a-Mole closely** Oh. I actually didn’t realize that you knew that for a fact. That is one point I was stuck on, having heard and read that the newborns pups don’t feel pain as we do. I didn’t have good sources on that. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/75 "2010-10-19T22:46:52Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > As I pointed out in the pit thread, this is rubbish. Efficient would have been upending the bag/bucket and tipping the puppies in all at once. > > Lobbing them one by one has nothing to do with efficiency. Seemed to me like she was trying to get them in the middle of the river where the current was fastest. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/76 "2010-10-19T22:48:45Z")
> [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](#): > > Seemed to me like she was trying to get them in the middle of the river where the current was fastest. Is this a joke? ---
**Author:** ![BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/77 "2010-10-20T00:37:37Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Is this a joke? Why would it be? You’re viewing her as a sadist. I’m viewing her as a girl who has to get rid of some pups. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/78 "2010-10-20T03:21:36Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > **follows Whack-a-Mole closely** > > Oh. I actually didn’t realize that you knew that for a fact. That is one point I was stuck on, having heard and read that the newborns pups don’t feel pain as we do. I didn’t have good sources on that. Thanks. I have personally handled new born pups on more than one occasion and they feel pain (well…they did a few hours after being born and guessing the girl did not determine the health of the puppies minutes after birth to decide they all needed killing). Not sure why you think their nervous systems are not operational after birth. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/79 "2010-10-20T03:23:24Z")
> [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](#): > > Why would it be? You’re viewing her as a sadist. I’m viewing her as a girl who has to get rid of some pups. You have got to be kidding. If she wanted to end the pups efficiently (via drowning) she’d have just filled the bucket with water and put a lid on it. No need to even tote them to the river. Could be done with a kitchen faucet/garden hose/hand pumped well. ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/puppy-pitching-bosnia-girl-found/555235/80 "2010-10-20T03:38:03Z")
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