# Pushing Daisies 10/31: "Girth" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 1, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826 "2007-11-01T03:26:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/61 "2007-11-01T18:35:22Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] I think you need to step back, does Ned really have the right to bring someone to life in the first place? [/QUOTE] If it solves a murder and (as in the case of the _Pie-lette_) saves an innocent person from going to jail for a crime they did not commit, yes. Yeesh, you guys, do you realize how many TV detectives would love to have his ability? Imagine Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, heck, even Lennie Brisco! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/62 "2007-11-01T18:38:47Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] If it solves a murder and (as in the case of the _Pie-lette_) saves an innocent person from going to jail for a crime they did not commit, yes. Yeesh, you guys, do you realize how many TV detectives would love to have his ability? Imagine Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, heck, even Lennie Brisco! [/QUOTE] Yeah, but Columbo would need to be able to bring them back more than once… “Oh, just one more question, sir…” And believe me, most of the corpses will not want to be able to hear Brisco’s wisecracks about them. ---
**Author:** ![chambraigne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@chambraigne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chambraigne)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/63 "2007-11-01T18:40:02Z")
[QUOTE=simster] My question - how big a roof is this ? where were the bees? [/QUOTE] I think that the bee hives were visible in the background, so they were on the same part of the roof that we saw last episode. Did anyone else notice that when Chuck and Ned were sitting next to each other in the booth, they had a child’s booster seat separating them? Not exactly foolproof, but better than nothing I guess. One other thing I just remembered that bothered me: if Jacobs did not, in fact, die after the accident in the race, then wouldn’t that be something that the other jockeys would have, I don’t know, read about in the paper or something? ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/64 "2007-11-01T18:44:49Z")
I have a question that I’m not sure has been answered by the show yet - what is the nature of people after they have been permanently revived by Ned? During temporary reviving they seem to retain any grotesque injuries they sustained during their death (although they do lose the “blue color”). If a minute passes, do their injuries heal, or would they walk around as severly disfigured zombies? It’s hard to tell with Chuck because she died of drowning and not a disfiguring injury. What’s the SD? ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/65 "2007-11-01T18:51:17Z")
I think the closest the show has come to answering that question is Pidge. Pidge is a pigeon who lost a wing shortly before death. Ned touched Pidge and Pidge revived. Still minus a wing. Olive then took Pidge to visit Chuck’s aunts, and they attached a new wing. Pidge is now able to fly again. The only _people_ Ned has permanently revived are his mother–who died of a burst blood vessel, and lived less than a day after her original death–and Chuck. ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/66 "2007-11-01T18:51:49Z")
I don’t think we know the answer yet. As I said people get revived mangled, but fruit gets healed when Ned touches it. Also revived things may be immortal. Ned’s dog is doing very well as it is probably in its mid twenties. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/67 "2007-11-01T19:00:54Z")
[QUOTE=jackdavinci] It’s hard to tell with Chuck because she died of drowning and not a disfiguring injury. What’s the SD? [/QUOTE] IRC: not drowned but suffocated with a plastic bag with a happy face on it. They have indicated that \*\*Digby \*\* is 23. We ran the math in a prior thread based on him being 3 in the Pie-lette when Ned was 10 and he is now 30. Jim ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/68 "2007-11-01T20:14:08Z")
[QUOTE=Mikemike2] I don’t think we know the answer yet. As I said people get revived mangled, but fruit gets healed when Ned touches it. [/QUOTE] But, as we saw last night, he cannot eat a pie that has “revived” fruit in it, because the second it touches his tongue, it “dies” again. You’d think he’d mark the pies somehow so he could keep track of which ones had revived fruit and which ones didn’t. I’m sure he’d like a nice slice of pear with Gruyere crust on occassion. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/69 "2007-11-01T20:17:32Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] But, as we saw last night, he cannot eat a pie that has “revived” fruit in it, because the second it touches his tongue, it “dies” again. You’d think he’d mark the pies somehow so he could keep track of which ones had revived fruit and which ones didn’t. I’m sure he’d like a nice slice of pear with Gruyere crust on occassion. [/QUOTE] Somehow I think all of his pies have “revived” fruit in them - cuts down on operating costs. Must suck trying to eat raisens… ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/70 "2007-11-01T20:36:49Z")
[QUOTE=Mikemike2] I don’t think we know the answer yet. As I said people get revived mangled, but fruit gets healed when Ned touches it. Also revived things may be immortal. Ned’s dog is doing very well as it is probably in its mid twenties. [/QUOTE] The fruit isn’t mangled, it’s rotten. Two different things. The people he’s brought back after they’ve been dead a long time look just fine as long as they weren’t marked to begin with. Same concept. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/71 "2007-11-01T20:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=chambraigne] One other thing I just remembered that bothered me: if Jacobs did not, in fact, die after the accident in the race, then wouldn’t that be something that the other jockeys would have, I don’t know, read about in the paper or something? [/QUOTE] This was one of the things that bothered me most about this episode too. Jacobs is revived after the accident, but his legs are so badly damaged that he’ll never be able to walk, so the doctors come up with the (to my mind, ridiculous) idea of replacing them with a horse’s legs, and _nobody but his mother knows any of that happened_? I’m willing to accept a lot of strange things that are already part of the basis for this show, but they’re starting to push my limits to the breaking point. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/72 "2007-11-01T21:23:40Z")
I believe this show will prove to be what the world has needed for a couple years: something with which we can diagnose Aspberger’s Syndrome. Sure, lots of folks have self-diagnosed, but need for some here for absolute literalism and consistency in a TV show that is so obviously not to be taken literally and by its nature lacks an internal consistency? Perfect! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/73 "2007-11-01T21:31:20Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] That does seem to suggest that he can control, to some extent, who dies. Why wouldn’t the next closest strawberry get rotten? [/QUOTE] He was able to revive the mortician who died as him keeping Chuck alive longer than a minute so he’d be able to do the same thing with fruit. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/74 "2007-11-01T22:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Ned revived her to find out who killed her but couldn’t bring himself to **devive** her again. [/QUOTE] Is this a real word? If not, it ought to be. Regardless, I salute you for using it. I adored this ep. Mucho Kristin in it, although again an infuriating lack of her singing. Her jumping on the bed had me LOLing. What is the correct term for this genre? It’s a little bit cartoony, a little fantasy, a little Seuss-y. Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/75 "2007-11-01T22:38:37Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] > [@h.sapiens](#): > > In a recent episode, they showed that when Ned revives rotten fruit, some flowers or weeds die. He keeps them planted in nearby containers for that purpose. That does seem to suggest that he can control, to some extent, who dies. Why wouldn’t the next closest strawberry get rotten? [/QUOTE] I think it’s an _approximate_ proximity thing, but not necessarily an _immediate_ proximity thing, if that makes any sense: i.e., it’s not the _closest_ similar thing that dies, but something sort of in the area (like last week, with the squirrel vs. some random pigeon, and in a previous episode, with the bugs – it wasn’t the bugs in the next tank over that died instead, but some bugs a couple of tanks away). I’m thinking that sooner or later they will explain that this is why, in the first episode, the undertaker died, and not Emerson. (Well, that, and the fact that Chi McBride’s name is in the credits.) So, yeah, Ned might have _some_ control, but only insofar as he can “protect” people who are very nearby, but he wouldn’t be able to “assign” the “life exchange” to anyone in particular. > [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > What is the correct term for this genre? It’s a little bit cartoony, a little fantasy, a little Seuss-y. Anybody? Sonnenfeldesque, or Sonnenfeldian, or something like that. It is very much like other stuff he’s done (I can think instantly of “Toys” and “Men in Black”). Love that! ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/76 "2007-11-01T22:51:07Z")
I so wanted to give Ned a big giant hug in this episode! I was nearly in tears during the scene where it was explained that every Halloween he went back to his old, dead, house and lay down on the carpet where his bed used to be. Can you imagine doing that for 20 years? So sad! It really is amazing he isn’t a lot more screwed up than he is! A couple of times people have made comments about the “immortal” food (strawberries) and what it must do in customer’s stomachs. I’m pretty sure they would be digested and killed in the same way as fresh ones would be. In the second episode, there wasn’t much doubt that Chuck could be killed in the car; once alive again, you are alive, and therefore can be killed. I think you just don’t age the same way; you might not die on your own, but an accident, a predator, or a crazy car manufacturing killer can kill you. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/77 "2007-11-01T22:56:30Z")
[QUOTE=Oslo Ostragoth] Is this a real word? If not, it ought to be. Regardless, I salute you for using it. I adored this ep. Mucho Kristin in it, although again an infuriating lack of her singing. Her jumping on the bed had me LOLing. What is the correct term for this genre? It’s a little bit cartoony, a little fantasy, a little Seuss-y. Anybody? [/QUOTE] Can we just call it Whimsical? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/78 "2007-11-01T23:10:25Z")
[QUOTE=Oslo Ostragoth] Is this a real word? If not, it ought to be. Regardless, I salute you for using it. [/QUOTE] So far as I know, it’s entirely my own. Thank you! I quite liked it myself. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/79 "2007-11-01T23:39:44Z")
I just watched it again with my wife. My favorite line was, “I love you Shovel”. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826/80 "2007-11-02T01:16:20Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I just watched it again with my wife. My favorite line was, “I love you Shovel”. [/QUOTE] Every week, I am more and more glad that “Boston Public” got cancelled, making Chi McBride available. LOVE! HIM! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-10-31-girth/424826.md?page=5)