# Pushing Daisies 12/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798 "2007-12-13T01:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/21 "2007-12-13T14:09:47Z")
Isn’t Lily Chuck’s father’s sister? Keeping it in the family for a fairy tale? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/22 "2007-12-13T14:20:02Z")
[QUOTE=VunderBob] Isn’t Lily Chuck’s father’s sister? Keeping it in the family for a fairy tale? [/QUOTE] Ew, I’m kind of hoping that it means that Chuck’s father was not her real father. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/23 "2007-12-13T14:20:19Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] I too, was bugged by the bonobo thing. I know it’s a fun word too say but that’s just not good enough reason to misidentify the species so badly. [/QUOTE] Tell me about it! I was so annoyed. Her comments about him came in a series of three, and I’m ashamed to say I broke the cardinal rule about not talking during the show: Her: “This is Bobo, he’s a bonobo.” (paraphrased) Me: :dubious: “No, he’s not!” Her: “Bonobos are the most gentle monkeys…” Me: :rolleyes: “NO, they’re NOT!” Her: “…and they’re so great around sick children.” Me: :mad: “NO, THEY’RE NOT!” At which point, my entire family, toddler included, threw pillows at me and suggested that I should up with the shutting. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/24 "2007-12-13T14:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] I too, was bugged by the bonobo thing. I know it’s a fun word too say but that’s just not good enough reason to misidentify the species so badly. [/QUOTE] Heck, suspend your disbelief - it’s a fairy tale! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/25 "2007-12-13T14:32:23Z")
[QUOTE=VunderBob] Isn’t Lily Chuck’s father’s sister? Keeping it in the family for a fairy tale? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Wile E] Ew, I’m kind of hoping that it means that Chuck’s father was not her real father. [/QUOTE] The Aunt’s are Vivian Charles & Lily Charles, so our only hope at this point is that Chuck’s Dad is really her Uncle, but he had a stable home life, so he raised her instead of her Mom in showbiz. [QUOTE=WhyNot] Tell me about it! I was so annoyed. Her comments about him came in a series of three, and I’m ashamed to say I broke the cardinal rule about not talking during the show: Her: “This is Bobo, he’s a bonobo.” (paraphrased) Me: :dubious: “No, he’s not!” Her: “Bonobos are the most gentle monkeys…” Me: :rolleyes: “NO, they’re NOT!” Her: “…and they’re so great around sick children.” Me: :mad: “NO, THEY’RE NOT!” At which point, my entire family, toddler included, threw pillows at me and suggested that I should up with the shutting. [/QUOTE] They were correct to throw pillows. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/26 "2007-12-13T14:34:58Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] Heck, suspend your disbelief - it’s a fairy tale! 😉 [/QUOTE] I know! I repeat it to myself over and over but it’s just hard when they mess with stuff in my area of knowledge. _sigh_ BOSOM! ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/27 "2007-12-13T14:43:42Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] The Aunt’s are Vivian Charles & Lily Charles, so our only hope at this point is that Chuck’s Dad is really her Uncle, but he had a stable home life, so he raised her instead of her Mom in showbiz. [/QUOTE] Not at all. They are her mother and her unmarried aunt on her father’s side: Lily Smith married Charlie Charles\*, who has a sister Vivian Charles. Lily’s name is now Lily Charles. \*I think that’s the name on the tombstone. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/28 "2007-12-13T14:46:24Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] Not at all. They are her mother and her unmarried aunt on her father’s side: Lily Smith married Charlie Charles\*, who has a sister Vivian Charles. Lily’s name is now Lily Charles. \*I think that’s the name on the tombstone. [/QUOTE] It that conjecture or fact? It is good conjecture, I had the same thought and got a trouble call while I was posting. Jim ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/29 "2007-12-13T14:49:38Z")
Conjecture, but it fits perfectly. Unless they want to go with an incest angle, but I doubt that. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/30 "2007-12-13T14:58:43Z")
That kid looked really familiar to me, but I couldn’t place him. And he looked NOTHING like the image on IMDB. Anyone else think the same? ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/31 "2007-12-13T15:00:58Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] Conjecture, but it fits perfectly. Unless they want to go with an incest angle, but I doubt that. [/QUOTE] It fits with the writing MO of the show. Come up with a plot point that raises eyebrows, and then have a perfectly non-prurient explanation for it. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/32 "2007-12-13T15:02:58Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] They were correct to throw pillows. Jim [/QUOTE] They were, I now see the error of my ways. But in my defense, it was DVR’ed, so we were able to rewind it to see what I had spoken over. ETA: [QUOTE=reality chuck] Conjecture, but it fits perfectly. Unless they want to go with an incest angle, but I doubt that. [/QUOTE] But haven’t they referred to the two as “sisters”? ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/33 "2007-12-13T15:18:43Z")
I thought their last name was “Darling” :smack: The Darling Mermaid Darlings. Even though I’m positive the Narator has given their names, it just didn’t occur to me that they weren’t Darlings. It may not have been a bonobo, but the dialogue was clever. And Ned’s little “oof” when Charlie said she had to hate him and she needed him not to be there or she’d hate him more sounded truly pained. I want to learn more abotu Emerson’s daughter. Do you suppose he started knitting for her? StG ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/34 "2007-12-13T15:32:20Z")
I took it that Lily was divorced from Dad - and Dad said she was dead to spare Chuck/himself (when she joined the mermaids, she no longer was your mom, from a certain point of view) - I’m not entirely sure that Vivian is an ‘Aunt’ as much as Lily’s ‘companion’. The bigger question there is early on in the episode, where they were talking about Chuck’s dad dieing, in that Lily ‘wouldn’t hug chuck’ until after Ned came over - that seems strange if Lily was her ‘real mom’ at that point - there’s a bunch to that story we don’t know. Have they settled the strike yet? [QUOTE=WhyNot] But haven’t they referred to the two as “sisters”? [/QUOTE] No, they have consistently reffered to them as the “Aunts” - ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/35 "2007-12-13T16:18:09Z")
I had to pick up my son at work, so I taped everything after the first fifteen minutes. I love “word vomit” though. Hee hee hee. ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/36 "2007-12-13T18:18:23Z")
[QUOTE=StGermain] I want to learn more abotu Emerson’s daughter. Do you suppose he started knitting for her? StG [/QUOTE] On the inside he is just a big fluffy teddy bear made of mush. I really enjoyed this episode. It was a sad holiday special and the music in the background accented that very well. As usual I am in love with the sets. If I wasn’t in my last year of college I would switch my major to set design right now. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/37 "2007-12-13T20:05:10Z")
Another good line, when the last corpsicle was being carted off and dropped and broke in several pieces Ned said, “I’m not touching that.” Also, I’m surprised that Ned and Chuck both considered reanimating old dead dad because wouldn’t he pretty much be a grotesque skeleton now after 20 some years in the ground? ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/38 "2007-12-13T20:22:57Z")
[QUOTE=Mehitabel] The production values remain high, as I felt cold just watching the snowy unnamed City; I hope it’s as pretty tomorrow when the snowstorm hits my own city. [/QUOTE] It’s not unnamed. They live, work and have adventures in Couer d’Couers. The \*state[/] (or province - I get a distinct Canadian vibe from the locale) is unknown. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/39 "2007-12-13T20:43:07Z")
[QUOTE=Sean Factotum] It’s not unnamed. They live, work and have adventures in Couer d’Couers. The \*state[/] (or province - I get a distinct Canadian vibe from the locale) is unknown. [/QUOTE] No, Couer d’Couers is a small town near the city. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798/40 "2007-12-13T20:44:38Z")
[QUOTE=Sean Factotum] It’s not unnamed. They live, work and have adventures in Couer d’Couers. The \*state[/] (or province - I get a distinct Canadian vibe from the locale) is unknown. [/QUOTE] Literally, “Heart of Hearts”… Since I don’t speak French, all bets are off on issues of correct grammar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pushing-daisies-12-12/429798.md?page=3)