# Put a fork in Bernie **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222 "2018-11-09T02:26:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222/81 "2018-11-14T14:38:25Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Really? I like Sherred Brown, and have voted for him every chance I’ve gotten, but I hadn’t heard that he had any national aspirations. He’s supposedly [considering it](https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/12/sherrod-brown-weighing-2020-presidential-run/1976256002/). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222/82 "2018-11-14T14:46:56Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > He’s supposedly [considering it](https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/12/sherrod-brown-weighing-2020-presidential-run/1976256002/). Well, cool. I’d like to see the contenders before making any decision, but of the potentials, he’s now currently my favorite. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222/83 "2018-11-14T18:56:24Z")
Another one about Brown: > **[Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio is weighing a presidential run](https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/11/sen_sherrod_brown_of_ohio_is_w.html)** > > In an interview with cleveland.com, Brown said that he's heard from an "overwhelming" number of people who have told him he should think of a presidential run, and that he and his family intend to discuss it over the holidays, when his children and... ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222/84 "2018-11-14T18:59:55Z")
Hey guys, look over here —\> [Hee-haw, y’all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=865443) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222/85 "2018-11-14T19:16:27Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Let me make something clear- I didn’t vote for Trump, or for Ted Cruz, or for Pete Sessions. I wasn’t actually talking about 2016 either- more about state and local elections. > > But like others have said, racism isn’t necessarily a first priority for a lot of people- bigger fish to fry, and all that. For a lot of right-wingers, their bigger fish is abortion. For others, it’s job availability in their little corner of Appalachia. Or gun rights, or a myriad of other things that don’t track with the progressive agenda. It’s not so much that they hate these things outright, but they’re perceived as either entirely ancillary, or that their pursuit is actively detrimental to the pursuit of the things they hold to be valuable. > > And not agreeing politically doesn’t make someone wrong or racist; if someone is really hung up on abortion, they just don’t give a shit about the rest of it- they’re going to vote for whoever they perceive as most in line with their abortion views. A lot of progressives are equally hung up on racism in a way that doesn’t track with most people in the country. Doesn’t make either of you wrong- you just have different priorities. Yes it does. Most of the things you mentioned up there are wrong. While people act like the abortion issue is complicated, the idea that personhood begins at conception is provably false, and we’ve been showing that for a long time. No one treats the death of a fetus the same as the death of a person. Hence we don’t give them personhood. Plus, there’s the additional issue that we’ve shown repeatedly that pro-life is generally about punishing women for having sex. The gun rights issue could be an issue, but it would require anyone actually going after gun rights, when no one is. Instead, the people who put that first are just people who continue to spread falsehoods about the liberal position, that we want to take away their guns. And, anyways, if someone values a gun more than people, then said person is inherently wrong. So we have two ways they are wrong. The only issue you mention that is a valid issue is the jobs in Appalachia. That can be a legitimate issue. The main problem there is that neither side has anything that could fix that problem. Granted, the Democrats could run on that, but they didn’t. So picking either side on this basis is wrong. And this is assuming a hypothetical Republican voter who doesn’t then go on to toe the line on issues involving racism. If they in any way support the racist aspects of Republican ideology, even as an ancillary, they are wrong. And most do. So we very much can call these people wrong. And we can call those who defend the racist parts racist. Granted, that may not be the best persuasion tactic if we think we can pull them to our side. I try not to call people racist unless I think they are a lost cause, just because I know it makes them defensive. But I’m not going to pretend they aren’t wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/put-a-fork-in-bernie/824222.md?page=4)