# Putin: Possible Cardiac Arrest **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968 "2023-10-23T18:57:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/1 "2023-10-23T18:57:45Z")
I’m seeing lots of unconfirmed reports that Vladimir Putin has suffered a cardiac arrest. But there’s nothing definite and most of the sources leave me dubious. Here’s the link via MSN: [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/vladimir-putin-suffers-cardiac-arrest-sparking-massive-alarm-in-kremlin-inner-circle/ar-AA1iH7Zi) Does anyone have better sources either confirming or disproving this news? ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/2 "2023-10-23T19:11:22Z")
Hmm. Nothing trivial i hope. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/3 "2023-10-23T19:22:16Z")
The Mirror, the Daily Kos, and the Daily Express are also reporting this. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/4 "2023-10-23T19:28:10Z")
The Daily Kos just retracted it for “misinformation relying on poor sourcing.” It appears the original report was a Community post, so this doesn’t necessarily mean the report was wrong, just that it doesn’t meet their standards for reporting. > **[Retracted](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/23/2201142/-Putin-may-have-suffered-a-heart-attack)** > > Admin correction: this story, originally titled “Putin may have suffered a heart attack,” has been retracted for misinformation relying on poor sourcing. Misinformation is prohibited here per our Rules of the Road. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/5 "2023-10-23T19:34:44Z")
And tracing this to the Telegram channel that originally reported it, the person (a former Russian lieutenant-general) also states that all Putin’s recent appearances have been conducted by a body double, and that Putin’s personal doctors have told everyone he won’t live past fall. So…maybe not the most reliable source? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/6 "2023-10-23T19:39:33Z")
A couple of observations. The report is more than 10 hours old, and no major news channel has picked up on it. Second, the report comes from a Telegram channel which also reported that it was a Putin body double and not Putin himself who made the recent visit to China to meet with Xi Jinping, which is preposterous. Can’t rule out the possibility that there’s some truth to the story, but I wouldn’t rely on that source for anything. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/7 "2023-10-23T20:13:50Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The report is more than 10 hours old, and no major news channel has picked up on it. That’s what had me wondering. If it was breaking news, I’d have thought it was just not yet fully in the media system. But after 10 hours, it should be at least addressed by a reliable news service. A false alarm, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/8 "2023-10-23T20:28:56Z")
How many Putin health crisis stories have we seen in the past couple of years? A dozen? None have come to fruition. Seems like a weird form of propaganda to me–but I can’t tell which side it benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/9 "2023-10-23T20:32:21Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > The Mirror, the Daily Kos, and the Daily Express There’s your problem right there. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/10 "2023-10-23T20:39:10Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > but I can’t tell which side it benefits. The “news” site that generates clicks. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/11 "2023-10-23T20:46:41Z")
Previous discussion about the Express: > [@How reliable is the Express (British paper)?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reliable-is-the-express-british-paper/988945): > > From the Ukraine Thread, I’ve got a question. @aceplace57 posted a quote from the Express, a British paper. Later on, I posted a question: @EddyTeddyFreddy followed up with: Then I posted: Then @What_Exit said that the tiger was straying too far from the Ukraine base. So following mod instructions, I’ve come here, to IMHO, to start a new thread. What sort of reputation does the Express have as a news source? Reliable? Sensationalistic? First to press, but accurate? Comments welc… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/12 "2023-10-23T21:12:26Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The “news” site that generates clicks There is certainly that. But the stories usually come from _somewhere_–some unnamed Ukranian official, or a Telegram post somewhere, or a leak from the Kremlin, or whatever. I guess probably has no higher purpose than putting noise into the intelligence environment, to make it more difficult for anyone to know what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/13 "2023-10-23T21:26:36Z")
From [a](https://www.newsweek.com/putin-health-cancer-parkinsons-rumors-1783665) [few](https://cepa.org/article/the-many-deaths-of-vladimir-putin/) [links](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11377825/Vladimir-Putin-DOES-Parkinsons-pancreatic-cancer-leaked-Kremlin-spy-documents-claim.html), Putin may have: Blood cancer Pancreatic cancer Prostate cancer Thyroid cancer Some other terminal cancer Parkinson’s disease Fallen down a flight of stairs and shat himself Some mental illness that makes him rigid, paranoid, and erratic Schizoaffective disorder Eczema A stroke Leprosy And now a heart attack I’m probably missing a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/14 "2023-10-23T21:34:21Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Putin may have: [Vampirism](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361468/Evidence-suggests-Vladimir-Putin-immortal-thanks-Russians-discovering-secret-time-travel.html) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/15 "2023-10-23T22:58:25Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > I’m probably missing a bunch. [Hemorrhoids](https://ukrainetoday.org/2019/10/25/vladimir-putin-suffering-from-hemorrhoids/). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/16 "2023-10-23T23:09:04Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Fallen down a flight of stairs and shat himself But did his shoes fall off? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/17 "2023-10-23T23:20:39Z")
Too bad. One can hope. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/18 "2023-10-23T23:54:21Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > … a leak from the Kremlin … This seems quite believable to me: put it out there and see how his coterie reacts. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/19 "2023-10-24T00:10:19Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > This seems quite believable to me But what’s _also_ believable is that it would be pushed by Ukraine, as a kind of “Russia is collapsing” propaganda message. Most propaganda has an obvious beneficiary (and thus origin), but not this. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968/20 "2023-10-24T00:10:31Z")
Always consider the source. In this case, you’re better off consulting a Ouija board. I’m sure his doctor will say he’s in the best shape of any president in Russian history. The only way we’re going to find out if he has a terminal illness is if it actually reaches the terminus, and that will be after a new leader is selected and his rivals wind up falling from great heights. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-possible-cardiac-arrest/991968.md?page=2)