I got cousins and other young relatives. Probably will have grandkids in a few years. I want them safe and shouldn’t have to worry about them using a public restroom.
It’s not asking too much that people I care about are safe.
Why are you not concerned about little boys seeing big hairy penises at eye level?
Safe from WHAT?! From seeing a person walk into a closed stall to do their business? A woman fixing her hair, or putting on make-up? Good lord.
You haven’t made any kind of case that it’s reasonable for you to believe that your cousins, young relatives, or grandkids are going to be any less safe than they are now.
It’s one thing for you to have an unsupported opinion. It’s another thing for you to insist that your unsupported opinion must be taken into account to set policy that affects people other than you.
aceplace57 you do realize that taking photos of people in the bathroom, molesting people in the bathroom, kidnapping people in the bathroom and public indecency in the bathroom are currently illegal and will continue to be illegal after any laws protecting trans people are passed, right?
A man, regardless of his manner of dress, could right now walk in to a women’s restroom and shove his penis in a little girl’s face and be arrested for doing so. And in the future, after protection laws are passed, he could put on a dress and claim “I am a woman” and his doctor could write a note that says “yes he is now a woman” and if he sticks his penis in your presumtuously-assumed-granddaughter’s face and that would be illegal too.
The only thing that would change is that it would not be against the law for him to take his penis, go in to a stall, empty his bladder in to the toilet and exit the stall. Hopefully taking the time to wash his hands.
All these crazy nightmare scenarios about waggling your dong in the work bathroom with little girls tripping over your penis has nothing to do with what is actually happening in reality. Nothing.
Transgender cooties? 
I think if someone other than a little child too young to know better decided to break that tradition, tailor’s tape would make more sense.
Your opinion is idiotic and therefore unworthy of anything other than derision and contempt. And opinions like yours actively harm my child. Beyond that, I’m afraid that I’m incapable of saying anything outside of the Pit.
You should be more concerned with a law that mandates ‘men’ into the ladies room. Thereby enabling any man, any time, to stroll into a ladies room without it so much as raising an eyebrow, for people observing or women in those washrooms.
Until you can answer the few simple questions about enforcement, which you have been repeatedly asked yet continue to ignore, no one need take you, or any other advocate for this seriously.
How will this be enforced? Do trans need a birth certificate to use a barroom in NC? Who can challenge a ‘man’ in the ladies? Anyone? Should your wife/daughter call a cop, if they see a bearded man in the ladies? Challenge him themselves? Or just assume he must be packing a vagina and really be trans?
These are obvious questions. That must be addressed. They aren’t going away. If you defend the concept, or agree with the law, then answer the questions.
Otherwise you come off looking like one of those hateful bigot who can’t/won’t think things through!
Nah, the ol’ 150 mm calipers (unless you mean the tape measure for its potential as a garotte?)
Lousy garrote, either in English or Spanish. No, I mean cos you can measure the implement in question in multiple ways and it’s much more discrete to carry.
when you say “you” to whom are you referring?
It doesn’t bother me in the slightest if men want/need to use the ladies’s room. If you’re about to burst and the men’s room is 10 feet further on and you don’t think you’ll make it, come right in. You need to escort your daughter? come right in. I’ve been in public women’s bathrooms where fathers came in and quietly stood by the door while their kid used the stall. As previously mentioned, there isn’t much going on in ladies’s rooms except in the stalls.
If you go into any bathroom and then display odd behavior such as trying to peer into occupied stalls, taking off your clothes, or assaulting someone, obviously that is illegal regardless of your sex, gender, or which bathroom you are in.
Yeah, if a guy was going to go to the trouble of disguising himself of a woman purely to spy on people going to the bathroom, I would imagine he’d have done so already.
You got jelly, don’t lie. :o
I imagine he was also disappointed at how little could be seen once he walked in the door and saw an array of stalls with closed doors.
I also wonder, how the hell do they think these “pervs” are going to spy on women? In order to do that, you’d have to stand on the toilet and peek over (and even then you’d have to be fairly tall to do so), or else you’d have to lay on the floor. Not all that practical.
I actually know someone who was perved on by a peeper who looked over the stall door while she peed. The fact that I only know ONE person says something about the rarity of this happening.
Absent guards at the entrance to bathrooms, there is nothing stopping anyone from entering any particular bathroom. I have mistakenly entered the men’s room on a few occasions, only to be brought up short by the urinals. :smack:
even if you did that, what on earth do you see? You can’t see genitals, buttocks, or nipples, the three top things I assume (possibly mistakenly) a perv might be trying to see. You see a woman sitting. You can go see that in many other places.
It’d be kinda hard to do so without getting caught, too.
I’ve avoided this thread because I am tired tired tired of the topic. My stepson is a transman, or FTM, in his early 20s. Before he was out to my partner and I, we occasionally went to the gymn together and possibly once or twice he brushed his teeth when I was in the shower or peeing. There wasn’t any oggling and I was still under the “we’re all girls here” illusion. Now that he is out I probably wouldn’t suggest he walk in while I am showering but more of the “its not really appropriate” and his own comfort rather than some other modesty. He is interested in women, mainly but I am not worried he’d be oggling me anyway. Do you know why? Because he’s my (step)son, and neither of us have the slightest interest in the other sexually. We still occasionally complain about “Prom Week for Carrie” (me, mostly, cause he isn’t having them much due to testosterone) and I occasionally get a chuckle when I think… well my son and I were talking about our periods, but you know … so the fuck what?
Also, I have a friend, who is also my roommate. She is a transwoman. She lives with me and my partner and my 12-year-old (cisgender ) son. She is extremely modest. Her dysphoria can be crippling, so the fact she can watch tv with us with her wig off makes me happy she is getting more comfortable. I don’t change in front of her, and vice versa because she doesn’t have that comfort level yet. Her comfort, not mine, got it? Also, we don’t need to because she changes in her bedroom and I change in mine. We do go shopping though and i pass clothes to her under or over the door/curtain.
We’re in Canada, and I haven’t seen anyone get very worked up about this. Then again I also saw washrooms for boys and girlds in a Catholic Elementary school in Chicoutimi Quebec in 1981, so the mind boggles that this is even a concern.