# "PvP" & "Dork Tower" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2001, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924 "2001-03-06T11:54:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/1 "2001-03-06T11:54:14Z")
Anyone else read “PvP” at pvponline.com or “Dork Tower” at dorktower.com? I’ve been laughing out loud for two days reading their archived strips. Cracked me up! “PvP” is an online comic about a bunch of gamers working at a fictional computer gaming review magazine. Way funny! I highly recommend it to anyone who games on a computer, console, or RPG’s. Similarly, “Dork Tower” follows the exploits of a gaming group (mostly RPG’s). Both are painfully funny - I need to get them all in book form. 🙂 Now I yearn for my days playing D&D and Champions… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/2 "2001-03-06T12:01:19Z")
Yeah, PvP is one of my regular “stops” on my “read online comics” day. Another good one that’s similar, but totally different is [Spaz Labs](http://www.stonebrokestudios.com/index.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/3 "2001-03-06T12:07:16Z")
Esprix, Haven’t read PvP yet (I’ll follow your link later) but…if you like Dork Tower (I do too!), you _have_ to read Knights of the Dinner Table. Imagine every dysfunctional D&D group you’ve ever been around. One where the members really, deep-down like each other, but have no qualms about backstabbing each other because “Hey, the game is the game!” As far as I know, it’s only available in comic form (as opposed to on-line). Early issues are impossible to get, but they’ve got compilations called “Bundles of Trouble”. I think you’d love it. 🙂 Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/4 "2001-03-06T12:18:32Z")
Read “KotDT,” didn’t care for it. I guess because _every panel is the same_, and the dialogue isn’t actually _funny_ to me (although there are lots of, “yeah, I remember doing that once”). I suppose that’s why I prefer “Dork Tower” - more variety, and better artwork. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![broccoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@broccoli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/broccoli)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/5 "2001-03-06T13:04:13Z")
Check list to start my work day: get in cubicle, turn on slow ass machine get coffee/tea/whatever brekfast thing from wheel of death come back, log in read these comics: PVP, Sluggy, Dilbert, and Penny Arcade print out online crossowrd maybe start taking some calls 😃 [http://sluggy.com](http://sluggy.com) > **[Penny Arcade](https://www.penny-arcade.com)** > > Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary. film @ 11 broccoli ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/6 "2001-03-06T13:10:08Z")
Argggh! Brain fart! I wasn’t thinking of Pvp. It was [Angst Technology](http://www.inktank.com/). That’s the one. They aren’t gamers, they are programmers. They don’t run a fictional computer gaming review magazine, it’s a fictional computer game company. So you can see that although they are completely different, they are remarkably the same. I like _Angst Technology_, PvP is just O.K. (I still stop regularly- it’s bookmarked). Spaz Labs is similar, but totally different, than A.T. It’s totally different and remarkably different than PvP. Sorry I messed on your thread Esprix. You shouldn’t let un-housebroken newbies play with you big boys. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/7 "2001-03-06T13:42:27Z")
I bumped into PvP from a link on Penny Arcade (another on-line comic strip, but not nearly as good IMO). PvP kicks _ass_. “That’s not what I meant.” “Tell that to my _shoes_!” “Boobs, breasts, truss them up, call them what you want, but in the end, it’s all about those zoom-zooms.” And I got the Dork Tower collection for my girlfriend for her birthday. Quite good stuff, though she prefers KoDT. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/8 "2001-03-06T15:46:06Z")
Love PVP, but what is with the panda that attacks Brent every so often? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/9 "2001-03-06T16:28:13Z")
IIRC, **lurkernomore** , Brent once tried to find a replacement for Skull (who was missing for some reason). What he found was a giant panda…which hung around, randomly attacking Brent, even after the return of Skull. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/10 "2001-03-06T17:23:00Z")
If you like those, and are in Tech/IT related industries, no day is complete without User Friendly. [http://www.userfriendly.org/static/](http://www.userfriendly.org/static/) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/11 "2001-03-06T18:50:29Z")
Of the two, “PvP” is definitely superior IMO. Not only is it better drawn and consistently funny, but Kurtz manages to do a weekly comic, _plus_ three extra weekly comics for [GameSpy.com](http://www.gamespy.com/) (Ding!, Planet Couch, and an extra PvP strip), and a number of print magazines. I like quality _and_ quantity, and PvP delivers. OTOH, I do like “Dork Tower,” but John Kovalic’s lethargic rate makes it hard for me to really enjoy it. I first discovered him through his _Wild Life_ comic strip, and while I’m glad that “Dork Tower” has taken off, I’m disappointed at (a) how he’s let his other projects languish into obscurity, and (b) the afformentioned delays. As far as I know, the only web site that features “Dork Tower” regularly is GameSpy, and even then it seems like Kovalic is hard-pressed to draw two strips a week. They’re both good comics, but if I had to pick one, I’m definitely siding with PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Jeeves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@Jeeves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeeves)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/12 "2001-03-06T23:55:53Z")
PvP is one my faves, in fact, I have a gaming fez! And if you like PvP and Dork Tower, you guys should like Megatokyo (Sorry, don’t know how to link just yet, its address is [http://www.megatokyo.com](http://www.megatokyo.com) ) It is a must see, and will have you on the floor. Esprix , you might enjoy boymeetsboy at [http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com](http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com) , its one of the first comics I visit every day. Jeeves Off to feed my addiction ---
**Author:** ![Narile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Narile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Narile)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2001, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/13 "2001-03-07T00:18:45Z")
Dork Tower is a weekly for Pyramid Magazine. Me, I always stop and read. Kevin and Kell, FreeFall, User Friendly, DragonTails, and Ozy and Millie. Sabrina Online is a good monthly strip as well. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2001, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/14 "2001-03-07T00:28:24Z")
I haven’t found PvP to be as funny as Penny Arcade. But it’s still pretty funny. I read all the comics that are indexed on GameSpy, and they all have some pretty funny strips. But I log in to read [The Daily Victim](http://www.gamespy.com/dailyvictim/index.asp) as much as anything these days, since I’ve already figured out that new Fallout: Tactics screenshots are not importantly different from the old ones. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2001, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/15 "2001-03-07T03:47:41Z")
Esprix, Th’ way I figure it, you owe me for the better part of a day that I’ve spent obsessively reading PvP. On the other hand, I can’t remember when I’ve enjoyed a comic strip so much. So, I guess we’re almost even, except that I’ve got to say: Thanks for telling me about it!! 🙂 Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2001, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/16 "2001-03-07T05:40:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*Anyone else read “PvP” at pvponline.com or “Dork Tower” at dorktower.com? I’ve been laughing out loud for two days reading their archived strips. Cracked me up! > > “PvP” is an online comic about a bunch of gamers working at a fictional computer gaming review magazine. Way funny! I highly recommend it to anyone who games on a computer, console, or RPG’s. Similarly, “Dork Tower” follows the exploits of a gaming group (mostly RPG’s). Both are painfully funny - I need to get them all in book form. 🙂 > > Now I yearn for my days playing D&D and Champions… > > Esprix \*\* I love PvP Online. I spent quite a bit of time reading all of his three years worth of strips when I stumbled onto his site. I go back about once a month to get in some good ole fashion fun time reading. Marc PS: Well if you were in Dallas I’d certainly welcome you to join our little group. Tsk tsk tsk. ---
**Author:** ![KJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@KJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KJ)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2001, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/17 "2001-03-07T06:48:25Z")
Wow, PvP online is pretty cool! And I actually discovered Dork Tower a few days ago (though I didn’t take the time to actually read any other strips) from a link from [www.3drealms.com](http://www.3drealms.com). ::adds a bunch of bookmarks for PvP and Dork Tower:: I’ve also heard of Kevin and Kell (though I never got too interested in that one either) and I read [Sabrina Online](http://www.coax.net/people/erics/Sabrina.htm) every month. … …whoa. I did a search for “Dragon Tails” and got the [Dragon Tails site](http://www.dragon-tails.com/). This is amazing; I had an idea for something that was almost the exact same concept as Dragon Tails (I won’t totally hijack this thread, but I created some cartoon characters that are dragons, and I thought it would be cool to render them in that cartoony style, since I know how to do that.) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/18 "2001-03-16T14:54:33Z")
Bumping this thread to recommend another on-line strip I’ve just discovered: [Nodwick](http://http://www.gamespy.com/comics/nodwick/index.htm). Excellent stuff, very funny and wonderful art! Highly recommended Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/19 "2001-03-16T15:02:20Z")
highly recommended in the same way that end-quotes at the back of an HTML tag are recommende, of course. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![that\_darn\_cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@that\_darn\_cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/that_darn_cat)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924/20 "2001-03-16T15:02:31Z")
Since this is back at the top anyway… Durn you Esprix!😉 Spent 2 days in my office trying not to laugh too loud. Great stuff. “Does Willy Wonka know you took this from his office?” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pvp-dork-tower/56924.md?page=2)