# QAnon Shaman has filed paperwork to run for Congress **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029 "2023-11-12T17:01:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/41 "2023-11-12T22:50:38Z")
You really don’t want to get me started on Michael Vick. Anyway, one wonders what the “Christian Right” would have to say about a SHAMAN running for office. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/42 "2023-11-12T23:05:39Z")
Shaman, pussy-grabber - god works in mysterious ways. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/43 "2023-11-13T01:29:33Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Not that I’m planning on insurrection, but just as a matter of interest, as an immigrant do I make this oath when I become a US citizen? There is the [Oath of Allegiance](https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-j-chapter-2) one takes upon naturalization: > I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. The Oath of Allegiance may be [modified](https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-j-chapter-3). Conscientious Objectors, therefore, are not prohibited from becoming US citizens, nor are those who wish to affirm the oath instead of swearing “by God”. A classmate of mine at university made such an application and received modifications to the oath with no problems whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/44 "2023-11-13T03:06:04Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > > > The amendment specifies that it only bars those who committed insurrection while being someone who has taken an oath to support the constitution. > > Not that I’m planning on insurrection, but just as a matter of interest, as an immigrant do I make this oath when I become a US citizen? From the 14th amendment: > [@](#): > > No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion . . . As I read it, unless you are a U.S. federal or state employee at the time of taking the citizenship oath, you can subsequently be involved in an insurrection, then run for an office such as member of congress, and, theoretically, serve from your prison cell. However, since pairing votes is no longer allowed, you wouldn’t be able to vote on legislation from prison. This isn’t irrelevant in the Shaman/Chansley case, since AFAIK he was born in the U.S. – although Wikipedia doesn’t give a birthplace. P.S. to Riemann regarding post immediately above: The U.S. doesn’t interpret the part of the citizenship oath where you “entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty” literally. If OK with your current country(s) of citizenship, the U.S. allows dual/multiple citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/45 "2023-11-13T03:25:25Z")
The US does allow multiple citizenship, but I don’t think we allow naturalized multiple citizenship. Or at least, we don’t recognize it: Other countries are free to consider us citizens if they feel like it. For one prominent example, John McCain was a dual citizen of the US and Panama, but that was by birthright, not naturalized in either nation. But Schwarzenegger would have had to renounce his Austrian citizenship to become a US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/46 "2023-11-13T03:32:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > Sex offenders in schools should be a rare exception to the rule of allowing ex-convicts employment opportunities. > > That’s one of them, yes. Insurrectionists in Congress should be another. There have been many insurrectionists in Congress – almost all being ex-confederates who I never would vote for. But Albert Gallatin, later member of congress and Secretary of the Treasury, was mixed up\* in the Whiskey Rebellion, and seems to have been a liberal by standards of his age. The problem was not that the insurrectionist members of congress was insurrectionists. The problem was that, with the Gallatin exception (and any others I have forgotten), they were elected by white racists who voted for pro-slavery politicians only. Those members of congress would have been just as bad if insurrectionists had been forbidden. In the past eight AZ-08 house elections, no Libertarian has run. So if Chansley doesn’t run, there probably will be no Libertarian on the ballot. If Chansley is stopped from running as a Libertarian, who does this help and hurt? \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \* Gallatin was arguably part of the rebellion – Alexander Hamilton said he was – although Gallatin tried to get the rebels to put down their arms from the inside. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/47 "2023-11-13T05:13:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The US does allow multiple citizenship, but I don’t think we allow naturalized multiple citizenship. Or at least, we don’t recognize it: Other countries are free to consider us citizens if they feel like it. > > For one prominent example, John McCain was a dual citizen of the US and Panama, but that was by birthright, not naturalized in either nation. But Schwarzenegger would have had to renounce his Austrian citizenship to become a US citizen. The U.S. has no problem with dual citizenship, whether by birthright or naturalized. The other country might. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/48 "2023-11-13T05:40:10Z")
Ireland kind of encourages it for children and grandchildren of emigrants, which includes yours truly. The process was straightforward, though documentation took some legwork (proof of birth, marriage and death for my grandfather and father, as well as my own birth certificate), but I now have a piece of paper acknowledging that I’ve been entered in the Foreign Births Register as an Irish citizen. Since there was no oath or renunciation involved, I doubt the State Department is losing any sleep over it. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/49 "2023-11-13T06:51:33Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > There have been many insurrectionists in Congress – almost all being ex-confederates who I never would vote for. But Albert Gallatin, later member of congress and Secretary of the Treasury, was mixed up\* in the Whiskey Rebellion, and seems to have been a liberal by standards of his age. The Whiskey Rebellion predates the 14th Amendment by 72 years. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/50 "2023-11-13T07:23:56Z")
If Chansley is smart, he’d wear his shaman outfit to all his political rallies. He’d get about 4 times as much free media coverage by doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/51 "2023-11-13T07:27:40Z")
“I yield to the gentleman wearing horns …” ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/52 "2023-11-13T09:32:58Z")
I would expect that, were a poll to be done on this topic and respondents restricted exclusively to non-merkins, nowt would be the least bit surprised at this development. Is it correct that Stateside felons cannot vote but can stand? Or does mutiny, and bloody insurrection only count as a misdemeanor? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/53 "2023-11-13T10:36:35Z")
We’ve had members of Congress help agents of Nazi Germany to spread propaganda from within their own offices. I assume they’d lose their jobs today, but who knows? ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/54 "2023-11-13T12:24:10Z")
What better way to own the libs than run the big, scawy man wit da horns an da painted face who was convicted of invading the Capitol, for a political office? Har-hur-hur! “Conservatives: fulfilling the accusation and the promise of inneffective government since Reagan!” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/55 "2023-11-13T12:53:15Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > In the original Batman TV shows, Robin would often ask why some psychopath had been released _again_ when they were inevitably going to hatch some plot _again_ to poison Gotham’s water supply or something. I always raised my eyebrow’s at Batman’s patronizing response that they had “paid their debt to society” and releasing them was the only just course. “Gosh, Batman, you’re right!” > > I wish it were intended as a joke Given the general context of the Adam West _Batman_ show, I’m fairly confident that your wish is granted. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/56 "2023-11-13T14:23:55Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > We’ve had members of Congress help agents of Nazi Germany to spread propaganda from within their own offices. I assume they’d lose their jobs today, but who knows? Nah, Rush L got the Presidential Medal of Freedom for doing that. If you can do it as a congress critter, you get two of them. That medal is now worthless for anyone that receives it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/57 "2023-11-13T14:45:46Z")
Time for one of my favorite, but now happily obsolete, political jokes: > **Q** : What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the _Hindenburg_? > **A** : One is a flaming Nazi gasbag. The other was a German airship. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/58 "2023-11-13T15:05:32Z")
Not to mention dates. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/59 "2023-11-13T15:55:55Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > “Gosh, Batman, you’re right!” Holy Civics Class, Batman! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029/60 "2023-11-13T18:03:07Z")
Re: advantages of wearing the shaman outfit > [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Not to mention dates. And invites to “cocaine-fueled orgies”. Although that’ll be only if he’s actually elected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qanon-shaman-has-filed-paperwork-to-run-for-congress/993029.md?page=4)