# Qed.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378 "2008-03-22T21:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/21 "2008-03-23T02:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=featherlou] We just did **Q.E.D.** Hasn’t anyone else been a dick lately? [/QUOTE] When’ve _you_ ever been a dick? Hmmm? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/22 "2008-03-23T02:30:15Z")
Well, if its **QED** we’re on about, I don’t recall him ever being other than a pretty good egg. The occasional _really_ bad pun, but hey! Forgive or forget, right? As to _Scenes from the Class Struggle in Cecily_…whaatever. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/23 "2008-03-23T03:47:09Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > So you posted once to the thread, long after everyone had said their piece, nobody said squat to you or insulted you or challenged your opinon or lack thereof, but you felt that it was worthy of a pitting? Okay, then. But I doubt that it will play very well. Boy, am I glad you showed up with your crystal ball! You even kindly reposted THE ENTIRE OP just in case the rest of us were magically unable to see it! Thanks, **Chefguy**! > [@Surbey](#): > > are more equal than others? That certainly seems to be the case. I guess having written an article or two a couple of years ago is enough to get the ol’ reacharound treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/24 "2008-03-23T03:50:15Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] Boy, am I glad you showed up with your crystal ball! You even kindly reposted THE ENTIRE OP just in case the rest of us were magically unable to see it! Thanks, **Chefguy**! [/QUOTE] Well, that’s _one_ way to get around the lack of a search function. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/25 "2008-03-23T04:23:02Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] That certainly seems to be the case. I guess having written an article or two a couple of years ago is enough to get the ol’ reacharound treatment. [/QUOTE] What is this “reacharound?” Is it really that bothersome that someone who does productive work for The Straight Dope gets the highly modest perk of a different title, and can post on a message board? (I can’t Search either, FTR) This sudden recent obsession that some have had with the SDSAB in the past few weeks seems really out of left field. What’s the root cause? FYI, I wrote **30** articles, unless I’ve miscounted, not an “article or two”. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/26 "2008-03-23T04:26:48Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] What is this “reacharound?” Is it really that bothersome that someone who does productive work for The Straight Dope gets the highly modest perk of a different title, and can post on a message board? (I can’t Search either, FTR) This sudden recent obsession that some have had with the SDSAB in the past few weeks seems really out of left field. What’s the root cause? FYI, I wrote **30** articles, unless I’ve miscounted, not an “article or two”. [/QUOTE] It’s because he wears his title like a badge, instead of a nametag. You, in my experience, don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/27 "2008-03-23T04:27:02Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > FYI, I wrote 30 articles, unless I’ve miscounted, not an “article or two”. Wow, you’re pretty conceited, aren’t you? Or did I accidentally post that in the Pit thread Called “Una Persson…” ? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/28 "2008-03-23T04:27:06Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] This sudden recent obsession that some have had with the SDSAB in the past few weeks seems really out of left field. What’s the root cause? [/QUOTE] Jealousy. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/29 "2008-03-23T04:28:13Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Jealousy. [/QUOTE] Actually, I bet it’s sour grapes. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/30 "2008-03-23T04:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] Wow, you’re pretty conceited, aren’t you? Or did I accidentally post that in the Pit thread Called “Una Persson…” ? [/QUOTE] This thread’s not about \*\*Q.E.D. \*\*any longer. It got hijacked into being about SDSAB a while ago and that whole conversation thread you were replying to was about them as a group, not him in particular. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/31 "2008-03-23T04:33:23Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] It’s because he wears his title like a badge, instead of a nametag. You, in my experience, don’t. [/QUOTE] ditto. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/32 "2008-03-23T04:37:50Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] Wow, you’re pretty conceited, aren’t you? Or did I accidentally post that in the Pit thread Called “Una Persson…” ? [/QUOTE] Not really. I was the only person who had posted in the thread about the how and why things are as they are from my understanding being on the SDSAB (and not on the SDMB Staff, which I have never, ever, ever been on). There’s at least an implication at work here, since I had specifically mentioned writing articles earlier - if you meant to refer to someone else then maybe you could direct your comments more to them? I mean - either it was a generic statement on the SDSAB, which does include me by the definition of generic, or you meant to refer to someone in particular but didn’t. You see what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/33 "2008-03-23T04:42:45Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Jealousy. [/QUOTE] That would be unfortunate. It’s fairly open - anyone who wants to write articles should e-mail Dex and say “here I am, here’s what I know a lot about, here’s what I’m interested in, send me some questions and tell me what format and how much to write” and get the ball rolling. Dex would love to have more people writing articles, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/34 "2008-03-23T04:46:05Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] It’s because he wears his title like a badge, instead of a nametag. You, in my experience, don’t. [/QUOTE] Well…I won’t comment on what others do or don’t do, but I hope that if ever I abused something like a member title someone would tell me to shut the hell up pretty quick. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/35 "2008-03-23T04:53:09Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] Leaving aside the back-and-forth of the ATMB thread, QED has paid for numerous memberships for others on here. I’m not rebutting your overall point, all I’m saying is whether or not his specific membership is paid is tangential because through his generosity he has dug deep to give money to the Board. [/QUOTE] Actually, his generosity is what’s tangential here. Did Q.E.D pay for my membership? No. Does he pay for his own membership? No. Just because he happens to be generous when he feels like it, does it make his attitude in the ATMB threads any less assholish? No. If he was telling members who he personally sponsored to quit whining, then I wouldn’t care. He ponied up for their subscriptions, he feels whether it’s worth his time and money or not. My beef is with the fact that he has taken it upon himself, where he doesn’t pay his own way, to tell others how they should be feeling about the running of the messageboard and they do pay. No single other SDSAB staff member has set off my radar like he has. First it was the junior-modding. And I’ve seen where others have mistaken him for someone in the know, because of the fancy title he wears and the fact that he takes it upon himself to present in threads where questions are asked of TPTB and answer on their behalf. I personally do think that SDSAB writers should get something back for the work they do. I just don’t think that entitles them to think they’re any better than the remainder of members on the board. Most SDSAB staff don’t do that. But Q.E.D does, and that’s why he’s getting called out. Again. It doesn’t have to be all sunshine and roses, we don’t have to get along with everybody around here. But then there’s being a cunt for the sake of it, which is pretty much what he likes to do in ATMB. \*I \*paid _my_ $15, _I_ get to decide when the treatment/service I’m getting ceases to be worth what I’ve paid, and if I get to complain about it. Until he’s paid for my subscription as well as everyone else’s, then he is the one who needs to STFU and step off. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/36 "2008-03-23T04:55:07Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > either it was a generic statement on the SDSAB, which does include me by the definition of generic, or you meant to refer to someone in particular but didn’t. You see what I mean? Going in reverse order: if I meant to refer to someone in particular, and it were in a Pit thread whose title consisted solely of a username, I would think the first thought would be, “Oh! He’s talking about that person.” Or at least the second thought. As for the generic thing, I’d have to be pretty stupid to think that not a single person has written an SDSAB article in years. Granted, I don’t think you and I have interacted enough over the years for you to have a strong opinion one way or the other about my intelligence, so I’ll give you that. IOW, yes, I see what you mean, but it was a little puzzling to get that reaction in a Pitting of someone else entirely. Whatever. > [@wring](#): > > ditto. Thirded. > [@Una Persson](#): > > That would be unfortunate. I don’t mean to imply that you’re dense here–it seems like you’ve just been ignoring the **Q.E.D.** drama, and that’s a _good_ thing. But “jealousy” and “sour grapes” are both references to **Q.E.D.**'s off-hand dismissal of his other Pitting, IIRC. Coulda been something else, but it was definitely **Q.E.D.** -related, so I think he was just cracking an inside joke. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/37 "2008-03-23T05:04:48Z")
**Sierra Indigo** , I hadn’t meant to get in the middle of something much larger, I had only wanted to, in fairness, emphasize that **Q.E.D.** had generously paid for many other memberships on here over the years to help out Dopers who have been in dire straits - in addition to his writing several SDSAB articles. I clearly misunderstood your larger point and what you were communicating, _mea culpa_. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/38 "2008-03-23T05:12:20Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] That would be unfortunate. It’s fairly open - anyone who wants to write articles should e-mail Dex and say “here I am, here’s what I know a lot about, here’s what I’m interested in, send me some questions and tell me what format and how much to write” and get the ball rolling. Dex would love to have more people writing articles, I know. [/QUOTE] Can I suggest that **Dex** post a thread _asking_ for people to tackle certain issues? We’ve got people with a broad variety of interests, and folks just might be willing to provide information on some of them, _if they knew that folks out there wanted to learn about it._ I’m sure that there’s probably a Doper who’s an expert on left-handed turnip twaddlers, but probably doesn’t say anything about it because they assume nobody wants to know about them, never realizing that **Dex** is buried under requests for information about the twaddlers. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/39 "2008-03-23T05:13:16Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] **Sierra Indigo** , I hadn’t meant to get in the middle of something much larger, I had only wanted to, in fairness, emphasize that **Q.E.D.** had generously paid for many other memberships on here over the years to help out Dopers who have been in dire straits - in addition to his writing several SDSAB articles. I clearly misunderstood your larger point and what you were communicating, _mea culpa_. [/QUOTE] That’s fair enough **Una**. As I’ve said, I don’t have a problem with any other SDSAB writers, and it’s certainly not jealousy over the (small) perk they get for writing. I’m happy to pay my own way here. And hell, it’s a good thing that **Q.E.D** does help others who aren’t able to subscribe on their own. I just got so fed up with the condescending attitude I was copping from him, in my own thread, when he’s not even an admin or even a mod. [ETA]: That’s not to say I’d accept the same sort of attitude from an Admin or a mod, but it’s more grating when it comes from someone who isn’t even in that position of power. Anyway, my piece has been said so I’ll step off out of this one. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378/40 "2008-03-23T05:17:54Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] As for the generic thing, I’d have to be pretty stupid to think that not a single person has written an SDSAB article in years. Granted, I don’t think you and I have interacted enough over the years for you to have a strong opinion one way or the other about my intelligence, so I’ll give you that. [/QUOTE] **Hostile Dialect** , please don’t think for a second I was trying to be dismissive or denigrative towards you. I was only trying to clarify what the real issues were, and at the time it did _appear_, to me, like things were directed towards me based on the context in this thread at the time you made your comments. > [@](#): > > IOW, yes, I see what you mean, but it was a little puzzling to get that reaction in a Pitting of someone else entirely. Whatever. Again, it’s just a matter of trying to clarify things. I honestly apologize to you if I gave any other impression via miscommunication. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/qed/442378.md?page=3)