# Quarter of Republicans believe Obama may be anti-Christ according to recent poll. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743 "2010-03-25T15:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/61 "2010-03-25T20:58:33Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That’s the point. > > The right: “Obama is a socialist!” > The left: “Socialist? I _know_ socialists! I _am_ a socialist! And Obama is no socialist!” Lefties hardly ever use the word anymore, its pretty much antiquated, belongs in the era of Wobblies and Pinkertons. Or Norman Thomas, academics in thread bare sports coats with leather patched sleeves. Its quaint. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/62 "2010-03-25T21:05:22Z")
Or socialists, who grew up with left of centre parties with balls. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/63 "2010-03-25T21:10:21Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > People are asking the question. Come on, Mr. Obama, _if you really aren’t the Antichrist,_ all you have to do is shave your head and show that you don’t have the **666 Mark of the Devil.** Me, I’m just asking questions, echoing what a lot of Americans are already concerned about. I hope that the man who is responsible for safeguarding American citizens **isn’t** the Antichrist, which is why I so desperately want him to prove it to us. And if he did and we seen it with our own eyes I’ll betcha all these lib’ruls will still swear it was a 999 right up to the point where his mulatto zombies he made from aborted stem cells are shovin’ 'em into the ovens! I’d love to see Obama sing a duet with himself ala Donnie & Marie: “I’m mostly closet Muslim!”/“I’m a little bit anti-Christ!” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/64 "2010-03-25T21:19:40Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > If Obama really is the anti-Christ that means August 4 (his birthday) is anti-Christmas and there’s only 4 more months to shop. > > So do you give gifts on Anti-Christmas? Or force the rich to redistribute gifts or what? So when do we all start screaming about the War On Anti-Christmas? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/65 "2010-03-25T21:57:33Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > If Obama really is the anti-Christ that means August 4 (his birthday) is anti-Christmas and there’s only 4 more months to shop. > > So do you give gifts on Anti-Christmas? Or force the rich to redistribute gifts or what? You take back whatever you gave at Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/66 "2010-03-25T22:15:02Z")
One of the most irksome things to me about Fundies is that so many so clearly _ **DO NOT EVEN FUCKING READ THE FLIPPIN’ BIBLE!!!** _ In the first place the antichrist isn’t even consistently portrayed and it’s actually not at all clear it’s a reference to a single person and at times it is clearly referring to multiple men. In the second place it’s very clear they were talking about somebody who would come during the time in which they were writing (he will stop the animal sacrifices in the temple in Jerusalem, for example, or he will be a king at war with other kings [and the ancient Jews _knew_ the difference between a king and a leader). These are some of the ‘things to watch out for’ about the anti-Christ taken from a fundamentalist website. I’ve taken out some things that could be applied to Obama (“he will be worshipped by many”- as were Elvis, the Beatles and Paganini) or “he will quote scripture” which could be applied to anybody who’s ever said a public prayer or cited the Bible. I’ve taken out the obscure and weird, such as the famous > [@](#): > > His name will be related to the number six hundred and sixty six—but not necessarily in an obvious fashion [Rev 13:17-18]. because there’s probably not a name out there you couldn’t get some strained connection to 666 from (either by the number of letters minus the vowels or using the original spelling of his great-great-grandfather’s surname or translating the name into Korean through Greek and then back again using the numerical values of the letters you’d find in a particular cartouche of his name compiled by deaf priests of Marduk or whatever). These are some of the remaining “prophecies”: > [@](#): > > He comes from among ten kings in the restored Roman Empire; his authority will have similarities to the ancient Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks [Daniel 7:24; Rev 13:2 / Daniel 7:7] > > He will subdue three kings [Daniel 7:8, 24] > > He will blaspheme God, [Daniel 7:25; 11:36; Rev 13:5] slandering His Name, dwelling place, and departed Christians and Old Testament saints [Rev 13:6] > > He will oppress the saints and be successful for 3 ½ years [Daniel 7:25; Rev 13:7] > > He will try to change the calendar, perhaps to define a new era, related to himself [Daniel 7:25] > > He will confirm a covenant with “many”, i.e. the Jewish people [Daniel 9:27] > This covenant will likely involve the establishment of a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem > [see Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15] > > He will put an end to Jewish sacrifice and offerings after 3 ½ years and will set up an abomination to God in the Temple [Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15] > > He will not answer to a higher earthly authority; “He will do as he pleases”[Daniel 11:36] > > He will show no regard for the religion of his ancestors [Daniel 11:37] > > He will not believe in any god at all [except for himself] [Daniel 11:37] > > He will have “no regard for the desire of women”: He will either be asexual or homosexual > [Dan 11:37] > > He will claim to be greater than any god [Daniel 11:37; 2 Thess 2:4] > > He will claim to be God [2 Thessalonians 2:4] > > He will only honor a “god” of the military. His whole focus and attention will be on his military. He will conquer lands and distribute them [Daniel 11:39-44] > > His arrival on the world scene will be accompanied by miracles, signs and wonders [2 Thess 2:9] > > Either he, or his companion [The False Prophet], will claim to be Christ [Matt 24:21-28] > > He will claim that Jesus did not come in the flesh, or that Jesus did not rise bodily from the grave > [2 John 7]. He will deny that Jesus is the Messiah [I John 2:22] > > He will hate a nation that initially will have some control over his kingdom, but he will destroy this nation [Rev 17:16-18] > > He will appear to survive a fatal injury [Rev. 13:3; 17:8] Using these, the antichrist would appear far more likely to apply to Roy Horn from _Siegfriend & Roy_ fame than Obama. He’s been witnessed by millions performing “miracles” and magic, he survived a seemingly fatal injury, he has evidenced no desire for women, he was born in Nazi, Germany which was at war with multiple _kingdoms_, he signed a “covenant” with a huge and sinful entity (mafia owned casinoes in— a desert!), he won’t allow sacrifice in Jerusalem (not that he’s tried to stop it per se but I guarantee you if the Jews tried to sacrifice a white tiger he’d be all over them) and the list goes on… ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/67 "2010-03-25T23:04:23Z")
Huh, I coulda sworn the Bible explicitly said the AntiChrist would revert high-income tax brackets to Clinton-era level and prevent Health Insurance Companies from having lifetime caps. I guess it’s been a while since Sunday School. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/68 "2010-03-26T01:12:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > because there’s probably not a name out there you couldn’t get some strained connection to 666 from (either by the number of letters minus the vowels or using the original spelling of his great-great-grandfather’s surname or translating the name into Korean through Greek and then back again using the numerical values of the letters you’d find in a particular cartouche of his name compiled by deaf priests of Marduk or whatever). [Like Barney](http://www.comedycorner.org/20.html). ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/69 "2010-03-26T01:27:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Just because he was shown a report with the information in it doesn’t mean he knew it. This is W and and you have to make allowances. This is an excellent point. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/70 "2010-03-26T10:46:01Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > [Link of interest.](http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Antichrist-Stephen-Hanchett/dp/1411609832) > > Please note that I am not trying to drum up sales for this gentleman. The price is certainly right!😃 ($16.66) ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/71 "2010-03-26T10:51:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Using these, the antichrist would appear far more likely to apply to Roy Horn from _Siegfriend & Roy_ fame than Obama. He’s been witnessed by millions performing “miracles” and magic, he survived a seemingly fatal injury, he has evidenced no desire for women, he was born in Nazi, Germany which was at war with multiple _kingdoms_, he signed a “covenant” with a huge and sinful entity (mafia owned casinoes in— a desert!), he won’t allow sacrifice in Jerusalem (not that he’s tried to stop it per se but I guarantee you if the Jews tried to sacrifice a white tiger he’d be all over them) and the list goes on… OK, we have the scenario from a Hadron Collider discussion here in which it actually causes the Rapture & puts us in the parallel Tribulation universe. Now we finally have an AntiChrist for the novel! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/72 "2010-03-26T12:14:11Z")
I do imagine most people who answer the antichrist question are probably responding to the derogatory term rather than the biblical term. It’s not very well worded, because it doesn’t sound like a factual question. I doubt anywhere near that percentage believe he is literally the antichrist. For example I imagine the same people would also answer yes to the question “do you think Obama is a motherfucker”, without necessarily giving much thought to his relationship with his mom. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/73 "2010-03-26T12:59:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > One of the most irksome things to me about Fundies is that so many so clearly _ **DO NOT EVEN FUCKING READ THE FLIPPIN’ BIBLE!!!** _ One of the most irksome things to me is that the “Anti-Christ” is just a character in a book. The question may as well have been, “Do you believe Barack Obama is really Jonathan Livingston Seagull?” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/74 "2010-03-26T13:37:54Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Dude, > > Thats kinda the most important part of the whole thing. Analysis fail. “Flying jetliners into buildings” is the important part. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/75 "2010-03-26T13:38:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > One of the most irksome things to me is that the “Anti-Christ” is just a character in a book… As is the Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/76 "2010-03-26T14:06:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > One of the most irksome things to me is that the “Anti-Christ” is just a character in a book. The question may as well have been, “Do you believe Barack Obama is really Jonathan Livingston Seagull?” Well, he can fly. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/77 "2010-03-26T14:30:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > One of the most irksome things to me is that the “Anti-Christ” is just a character in a book. The question may as well have been, “Do you believe Barack Obama is really Jonathan Livingston Seagull?” The thing is, he’s not even that. The “Antichrist” figure, as popularly conceived, is not even in the Bible, but is an inferred construct created from a pastiche of unrelated passages from unrelated books. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/78 "2010-03-26T15:01:23Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > See, that’s the funny part of that whole thing. The nutters will go stock up on ammo and the sane will…go stock up on ammo. How will I know friend from foe? Why, the hats, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/79 "2010-03-26T16:08:06Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Why, the hats, of course. No no no. Skin color is the infallible indicator of good and evil. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743/80 "2010-03-26T22:22:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its not that there are suddenly fewer rational conservatives, its that so many rational conservative no longer self-identify as Republicans. That’s exactly so. None of the Republicans I know admit to being Republicans. (And that’s in _Georgia_!) These days, they all say “I’m not a Republican. I’m a _conservative_!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quarter-of-republicans-believe-obama-may-be-anti-christ-according-to-recent-poll/533743.md?page=5)