# Quartz **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840 "2019-02-19T16:51:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/21 "2019-02-19T18:57:40Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your problem is? The threat of nukes is currently the only real deterrent against Argentina should they become aggressive. And nukes would have stopped the Korean and Vietnam wars very quickly. So quickly that no one here would be typing that post or typing a reply to you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/22 "2019-02-19T19:06:23Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your problem is? The threat of nukes is currently the only real deterrent against Argentina should they become aggressive. And nukes would have stopped the Korean and Vietnam wars very quickly. My problem is that I’d prefer that humanity does not expire in the fiery flame of nuclear armageddon, and any usage of nuclear weapons will vastly increase the chance of subsequent usage, and thus should be avoided. And there is plenty of deterrent against Argentina invading the Falklands – conventional war with a large, 1st world military; international condemnation; the difficulty in occupying an unfriendly population; trade sanctions; and much more. Your position is massively ignorant and foolish. If leaders ascribed to it, the chance of mass nuclear annihilation would jump massively. If we had nuked either Korea or Vietnam, then nuclear obliteration might have followed shortly after. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/23 "2019-02-19T19:09:05Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your problem is? The threat of nukes is currently the only real deterrent against Argentina should they become aggressive. And nukes would have stopped the Korean and Vietnam wars very quickly. You are just a fucking lunatic. It would have stopped them in the sense that blowing up your house stops the burglar trying to get in your door. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/24 "2019-02-19T19:28:55Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your problem is? I’m going to go out a limb here, but… the cataclysmic loss of human life, extended over generations due to illness caused by the nuclear fallout? I mean, I’m just spitballing here, but I’ve never actually had to answer the question, “What’s so bad about nuclear war” before. It’s not the sort of thing you expect to have to explain to people. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/25 "2019-02-19T19:48:09Z")
Also, what the fuck, you’re saying that the conventional British military isn’t fully capable of acting as a deterrent against an aggressive Argentina? Because I think I can point to some history that contradicts your theory. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/26 "2019-02-19T19:52:42Z")
Forgot to mention that using nuclear weapons would almost certainly result in death and suffering for thousands and thousands (and maybe more) of civilians. That’s a morally wrong thing to do under all but the most unusual circumstances – circumstances that certainly weren’t met in the Falklands, Korean, or Vietnam wars. So that’s another reason why the idea is totally nuts (and morally reprehensible). ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/27 "2019-02-19T19:58:11Z")
Aw guys, you’re just intolerant of different opinions. That makes you worse than him! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/28 "2019-02-19T20:08:26Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > You are just a fucking lunatic. It would have stopped them in the sense that blowing up your house stops the burglar trying to get in your door. Or you can exit the world’s biggest multi-country free market area so you can have the freedom to go around begging other countries to grant only slightly worse terms than the same trade deals you had in the greater common market, because… Freedom slogans… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/29 "2019-02-19T20:32:17Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > But at least Dibble and I can be happy he’s forgotten his never ending series of hand wringing about the whites in southern africa… It’s not March yet, keep an eye out… ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/30 "2019-02-19T20:54:42Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Seriously mate, what is the point of you? > > You’re a pathetic Brexit cultist. > > You insist against all evidence that Brexit means Brexit without any irony about how dumb that sounds. > > You simply refuse to address any evidence that all forms of Brexit harm, and insist there’s a majority for a hard Brexit despite all evidence to the contrary. > > People like you are ruining the UK. You’re on the same level as climate change deniers, flat earthers and Trumpists. > > Can you just go away, please? Your contributions, if that’s what we can charitably call them, to the Brexit debate are just corrosive and the opposite of helpful. The Straight Dope is about fighting ignorance, but you are doing the opposite. > [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Oh, I had no idea he’d blocked me. Bit rich seeing as how he claims we don’t like people disagreeing with us. Funny! > > Can someone tell him we are happy with disagreement, but we expect our counterparts to actually debate with facts and evidence and not stamp his feet impotently and expect his fantasies to be treated as equivalent to reality? > > Once again, climate change deniers, flat earthers, trumpists come to mind. > [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Which means a Brexit with free movement and single market membership intact meets the referendum, at least, far more than hard Brexit does. > > Someone tell him that? > [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Aw guys, you’re just intolerant of different opinions. That makes you worse than him! You make some interesting points. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/31 "2019-02-19T21:08:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I have a very simple position on Brexit. “Simple” is certainly one word for it, if we’re using the word “simple” to mean “short bus window licker”. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/32 "2019-02-19T21:27:39Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > People like you are ruining the UK. You’re on the same level as climate change deniers, flat earthers and Trumpists. He’s a big supporter of the American right wing in America. Every time I see him post to a US politics thread saying something in support of some absurdity of the American right wing I think to myself “why can’t he go fuck up his own country?” Wish granted, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/33 "2019-02-19T22:10:39Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > He’s a big supporter of the American right wing in America. But he’s even a pussy about that, too. He whinges about how much Trump is criticized, but then will occasionally drop in a criticism of Trump (I suppose to make himself even-handed in his own eyes). But god forbid that someone agree with his criticism, because that poster – yes, the one agreeing with him – will be taking it TOO FAR!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/34 "2019-02-20T00:43:28Z")
He is also very concerned about South Africa in like a super racist way. [What if: race war in South Africa](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=826122) - 05-13-2017 [South Africa going the way of Zimbabwe?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=841218) - 11-08-2017 [Next shithole: South Africa?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=850391) - 03-02-2018 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/35 "2019-02-20T08:01:00Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > He is also very concerned about South Africa in like a super racist way. Heaven forfend that I be concerned about a country with which I have links. As for being racist, it was Mr Dibble who was straight in with the accusation of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/36 "2019-02-20T08:02:01Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > He is also very concerned about South Africa in like a super racist way. > > [What if: race war in South Africa](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=826122) - 05-13-2017 > > [South Africa going the way of Zimbabwe?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=841218) - 11-08-2017 > > [Next shithole: South Africa?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=850391) - 03-02-2018 Yes what I referred to with Dibble… Of course it shows the same pattern - simplistic and superficiality and a refusal to listen to any feedback, and the repeating again and again. It is a common pattern. Perhaps he is the perfect Brexit profile, somewhat stupid, nostalgic for the old white empire days, defensive and in denial about his racist attitudes, quite ready to throw out simplistic slogans as “solutions” like nuke the Argentina… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/37 "2019-02-20T08:03:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Heaven forfend that I be concerned about a country with which I have links. As for being racist, it was Mr Dibble who was straight in with the accusation of racism. You are a racist, so fuck you so stupid whiny loser. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/38 "2019-02-20T09:01:24Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > As for being racist, it was Mr Dibble who was straight in with the accusation of racism. “Straight in” after your racist OPs, you mean… ---
**Author:** ![Pithily\_Effusive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pithily_effusive/32/252_2.png) [@Pithily\_Effusive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pithily_Effusive)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/39 "2019-02-20T09:20:58Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I didn’t evade it. There was no vote on that question. Obfuscation noted. Russky influence detected. You fell for it. More’s the pity. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/40 "2019-02-20T10:34:02Z")
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