# Quartz **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840 "2019-02-19T16:51:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/41 "2019-02-20T10:49:37Z")
Quartz is at least useful as an example of the impressive level of idiocy Brexit supporters are capable of, and the sheer vacuousness of their objectives. For example: > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/33): > > Then you should have absolutely no trouble explaining what this means in concrete terms. Or just answering “yes” to my question. Did the British people vote to unilaterally abandon all EU treaties and trade deals? Yes or no? > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/34): > > You’re obfuscating. The UK voted to leave the EU. It’s that simple. I’m sorry you cannot understand that simple fact. As you can see from his evasiveness he, like most of his ilk, hasn’t got a fucking clue what he voted for, hence the whole “Brexit means brexit” mantra they’ve been hiding behind for the last two years. When people then ask them just what it is they want, they go into denial mode, before then blaming everyone else for the confusion, e.g.: > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/21): > > The UK made its choice, and the politicians are struggling to not implement it. Any questions you direct at him on just what he means by “it” will just provoke further evasion and handwaving, because that’s all he fucking has. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/42 "2019-02-20T11:06:45Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Quartz is at least useful as an example of the impressive level of idiocy Brexit supporters are capable of, and the sheer vacuousness of their objectives. Your mistake is in thinking I’m a supporter of Brexit. Go on, look back and try to find my impassioned pro-Brexit arguments from before the referendum. > [@](#): > > Any questions you direct at him on just what he means by “it” will just provoke further evasion and handwaving, because that’s all he fucking has. When you demonstrate an understanding of the basics we can proceed to more advanced matters. As evidenced by your first sentence, you have yet to do so. You’re all so caught up in your anti-Brexit righteousness that you’re blinded. How dare those ignorant proles vote for something we don’t like! Howe dare they! Well, unfortunately they did. And I happen to value democracy more than I value EU membership. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/43 "2019-02-20T11:40:57Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And I happen to value democracy Unless it’s Blacks voting for land reformation, of course… ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/44 "2019-02-20T13:03:06Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Your mistake is in thinking I’m a supporter of Brexit. Oh aye, that’s a real fucking slur, isn’t it… > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/29): > > The UK voted to leave the EU. It’s as simple as that. > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/34): > > The UK voted to leave the EU. It’s that simple. > [@What will the UK do wrt Brexit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/48): > > We live in a democracy. The democratic vote was to leave > [@Brexit - general discussion thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/327): > > As I’ve repeatedly said, Brexit is a decision I respect. > [@Brexit - general discussion thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/294): > > I believe that the UK should respect the result of the referendum. If that means leaving with no deal, so be it. The UK is a democracy and we respect the will of the people. Brexit is a decision I respect etc, etc. It’s a given that you’re a fucking idiot; you always have been, there’s fuck all you can do about that. But at least don’t be coy about your beliefs. You clearly want Brexit to proceed, please do not pretend otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/45 "2019-02-20T13:45:48Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > You clearly want Brexit to proceed, please do not pretend otherwise. Really? Can you please raise your IQ above single digits? Yes I do want Brexit to proceed: the UK voted for it. That doesn’t mean that I like the decision. But the UK is a democracy, not the dictatorship of me - or you - so I accede to and respect the will of the majority. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/46 "2019-02-20T13:50:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Really? Can you please raise your IQ above single digits? > > Yes I do want Brexit to proceed: the UK voted for it. That doesn’t mean that I like the decision. But the UK is a democracy, not the dictatorship of me - or you - so I accede to and respect the will of the majority. This is a fool’s view of democracy. Democracy is not a suicide pact. Representative democracy means that the people’s representatives can sometimes take different action than what the people want; indeed that’s what they should do if the people want (and for all we know the view of the people has changed) something that would be profoundly damaging to the country. In a complex world, foolish and infantile thinking such as yours will lead to catastrophe and suffering. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/47 "2019-02-20T14:10:42Z")
Non-binding referendum too complicated a concept for this defender of democracy, huh? Don’t bother replying, Quartz, I don’t really need to see you post “Democracy is democracy” to decide not to engage you further on the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/48 "2019-02-20T14:43:42Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Yes I do want Brexit to proceed: the UK voted for it. Fucking wonderful, glad you’ve stopped dicking about with that attempt to prevaricate. Now, why don’t you answer any of the various questions put to you about how it should be implemented, for example: should we “unilaterally abandon all EU treaties and trade deals?” ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/49 "2019-02-20T14:58:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Democracy is not a suicide pact. Neither is Brexit. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/50 "2019-02-20T15:12:08Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Neither is Brexit. If there were another referendum held tomorrow (over your objections) how would you vote, stay or leave? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/51 "2019-02-20T15:13:47Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Neither is Brexit. The UK can apply to re-join the EU. ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/52 "2019-02-20T16:18:12Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The UK can apply to re-join the EU. I’m British myself, and the level of moronic wankery that constantly spews from your typing fingers over this message board is, frankly, embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/53 "2019-02-20T16:24:08Z")
Well, y’all don’t really DO the remittance man thing any more, do you? You cut that strategy out of your toolbox, and eventually those putzes are going to accumulate. Mind you, I’m profoundly grateful that you don’t still do it. We’ve got enough problems. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/54 "2019-02-20T16:28:51Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The UK can apply to re-join the EU. You have a truly bizarre view of what democracy means. You think that a second referendum to clarify the wishes of the people given the vast amount of new information that is now available would be wrong. But even if a majority now wish to remain, you think the correct course would be to leave and then rejoin - involving massive economic and social disruption - just in order to be able to say that we nominally fulfilled the “leave” step specified in the first referendum? That’s so utterly stupid that I simply don’t believe that your motivations have anything to do with actual democracy. Why not just be honest about it - you want Brexit to happen, so you don’t want a second referendum. That’s fair enough, but don’t present such moronic disingenous suggestions to try to make out that your true motivation is to support democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/55 "2019-02-20T16:35:07Z")
You say you value democracy, but you don’t give a shit what people think in 2019 and only care what people thought in 2016. This makes no sense whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/56 "2019-02-20T16:35:09Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You have a truly bizarre view of what democracy means. Actually, it’s you who do. The referendum produced a clear majority for leaving the EU. > [@](#): > > You think that a second referendum to clarify the wishes of the people given the vast amount of new information that is now available would be wrong. Clarify? The referendum options were crystal clear. You want a second referendum because the first produced an answer with which you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/57 "2019-02-20T16:37:58Z")
BTW folks, I asked the mods about creating a bet thread. Since you all seem to think that Brexit will be a disaster, I wondered how many of you would be willing to put your money where your mouths are. As I’ve said before, I don’t know whether it will be or not and I maintain that position. The request was denied. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/58 "2019-02-20T16:38:19Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > You want a second referendum because the first produced an answer with which you disagree. Of course I do. And because I think that the majority of British people now agree with me, given all the information that has subsequently been revealed about the true consequences. You don’t want a second referendum, because you know public opinion has shifted substantially, and it would almost certainly reverse the first one - _and because you want Brexit to happen, regardless of what the majority of British people now want_. So let’s the cut the bullshit that your position is about abstract principles of democracy, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/59 "2019-02-20T16:42:54Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Clarify? The referendum options were crystal clear. You want a second referendum because the first produced an answer with which you disagree. Every five years you get to have another vote on who should run the country. You’re more likely to show up and vote if you disagreed with who was voted in five years ago, or it turned out who you voted for was disagreeable. There is nothing wrong with voting again for _anything_ under the above conditions. Your reasons for finding a second refendum undemocratic are absolute nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840/60 "2019-02-20T16:55:47Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You don’t want a second referendum, because you know public opinion has shifted substantially Really? I remember the opinion polls before the referendum saying that the UK was set to vote Remain. > [@](#): > > and it would almost certainly reverse the first one - _and because you want Brexit to happen, regardless of what the majority of British people now want_. Not true. Next. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quartz/829840.md?page=4)