# Queer science fiction geeks unite! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 12, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771 "2003-03-12T06:41:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/41 "2003-04-02T22:42:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*Lord, **Poly** - if I didn’t know better, I’d say you were a queer geek yourself! \*\* Shall we bestow upon **Poly** the title of **Honorary Queer Geek**? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/42 "2003-04-02T22:47:10Z")
Works for me. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/43 "2003-04-03T03:00:56Z")
I’m honored! 😉 (Wonder what people would think of my using that as a .sig?) Is this the same Joe Phillips who does the cartoons of the guys with lowslung jeans with their butts showing in various media (e.g., XY)? ---
**Author:** ![TVGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/82dd89/32.png) [@TVGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/44 "2003-04-03T04:52:04Z")
DAMN!! I’m going to be playing Broadcaster Geek that week in Las Vegas a the National Association of Broadcasters Convention. Same kind of geeks, same kind of seminars and panels, I’d venture to say the same number of Queer people (I mean the convetion DOES attract about 125,000 people from around the world - the odds are pretty good, right?) just a lot fewer costumes and Spock “Live-Long-And-Prosper” hand gestures - oh wait, that leaves out the Ham Radio Operators reception on Wednesday … and probably the WB network breakfast meeting. I’ll be so close and yet so far away. ☹ Have fun folks, it sounds like a blast. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/45 "2003-04-03T06:59:31Z")
Sorry we’ll miss you, **TV**. And yes, **Poly** , Joe’s work is very popular among the _XY Magazine_ set. You can see his site at [http://www.joephillips.com](http://www.joephillips.com). Esprix ---
**Author:** ![phraser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e4f/32.png) [@phraser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phraser)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/46 "2003-04-03T11:40:30Z")
I wish I could get myself to the USA so I could go to this! Anyone interested in the queer subtext of the work of Orson Scott Card? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/47 "2003-04-03T17:00:50Z")
**phraser** , did you think we haven’t already discussed that at several G’cons? 😉 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![phraser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e4f/32.png) [@phraser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phraser)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/48 "2003-04-04T10:47:30Z")
See, i live in that far away little country on the other side of the world… AFAIK I’m the only queer Orson Scott Card fan in the nation LOL ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/49 "2003-04-04T17:23:23Z")
Isn’t he the one that used to be really homophobic, but has chilled out over the years? Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/50 "2003-04-06T11:39:46Z")
**Esprix** , **Polycarp** suggested I check this thread out. Since I’m the piano player the musical\* for Confluence, the Pittsburgh science fiction convention, I’ll be happy to see if I can get you a mention there. I’ll also be happy to pass word along to the Hell’s Mensans and I might even be able to get some fliers put out at various Regional Gatherings (RG’s, the O and the Y are omitted when spelling). I want you to know that I think you’re completely insane for doing this, but I’m glad someone is. Good luck! CJ ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/51 "2003-04-07T05:34:05Z")
I’m completely insane, period. 🙂 Thanks for the offers for help! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/52 "2003-04-14T05:51:14Z")
Ah, here it is, with a link to a (bad) representation of it: [_Per fess azure and argent, a cow statant argent marked sable and a feather fesswise reversed azure_](http://members.aol.com/esprix/device.bmp) Remember, this is SCA heraldry, which isn’t entirely historically accurate. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/53 "2003-04-15T00:58:48Z")
A noble blazon, to be sure. I’m working on a (non-SCA, just in case I ever happen to be in a position to matriculate) coat for myself: \*Argent, on a pile purpure an angel proper displayed, winged of the field, crined gules and robed (either vert or Or), holding in the sinister hand a man’s heart of the third, which he defends with a sword fesswise held in the dexter hand, proper; between to dexter scales of justice and to sinister a cornucopia both Or. \* ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/54 "2003-04-15T03:13:27Z")
Very nice, **Matt**! I like the symbolism. Is any part of that taken from the McLaughlin (under any of the spellings) arms? Small problem: are the scales and cornucopia supposed to be on the pile with the angel, or on the field? If the latter (which I’d assume), you’re free to deviate from the traditional name-the-ordinary-first by saying “Argent, between scales of justice dexter and cornucopia sinister both Or, on a pile purpure an angel proper displayed…” (That old economy-of-blazon thing.) Mine is: _Argent, on a pile engrailed sable a boar courant to sinister of the first. Motto: En ma fin est ma commencement._ ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/55 "2003-04-15T03:16:28Z")
Eek! Talking about your pile (no double entendre intended) made me misblazon – that’s _…on a fess engrailed…_ ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/56 "2003-04-15T05:56:56Z")
This is truly a geeky thread. 😛 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Kallisti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@Kallisti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallisti)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/57 "2003-04-15T06:29:26Z")
Sounds like the headline from a particularly nasty transporter accident. “What we got back didn’t live long, but it had sex with itself for about 45 minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/58 "2003-04-15T08:29:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*If anyone’s interested in checking us out, we’ll be advertising at a bunch of conventions (mostly on the west coast) between now and then, including: > > [ul][li][ConFurence](http://www.confurence.net) (LA)[/li][li][Baycon](http://www.baycon.org) (SF)[/li][li][LepreCon](http://www.leprecon.org) (Phoenix)[/li][li][Westercon](http://www.wester56.org) (Seattle)[/li][li][Comic-Con](http://www.comic-con.org) (San Diego)[/li][li][San Diego LGBT Pride Festival](http://www.sdpride.org)[/li][li][WorldCon](http://www.torcon3.on.ca) (Toronto)[/li][li][Coppercon](http://www.coppercon.org) (Phoenix)[/li][li][Conjecture](http://www.conjecture.org) (San Diego)[/li][li][Loscon (LA)](http://www.loscon.org)[/li][li][Gallifrey (LA)](http://www.gallifreyone.org)[/li][li][Condor](http://www.condorcon.org) (San Diego)[/ul][/li] > \*\* If you give me some flyers(or something), I’ll see about spreading the word of your con around to some anime cons, including Yaoi-con. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/59 "2003-04-15T12:03:19Z")
> [@](#): > > the latter (which I’d assume), you’re free to deviate from the traditional name-the-ordinary-first not to mention the law of tincture!! :eek: I swear to God, I meant scales and a cornucopia **gules!** _Gules!_ > [@](#): > > Is any part of that taken from the McLaughlin (under any of the spellings) arms? Well, I haven’t found any armigerous ancestors, so I don’t know if there are any arms I could inherit. However, in the crest I put together, which I didn’t quote (ftr, it’s _mantled argent and purpure, a castle triple-towered and surmounted by a rainbow both proper_), the castle is from a MacLachlan clan badge that our particular branch thereof has been using. > [@](#): > > Argent, on a pile engrailed sable a boar courant to sinister of the first. Motto: En ma fin est ma commencement. Interesting! Is it matriculated? Is it descended from an ancestor or is it your own creation? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771/60 "2003-04-15T15:09:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Interesting! Is it matriculated? Is it descended from an ancestor or is it your own creation? Nope – it’s the arms of my family (which would legally belong to a second or third cousin I’ve never met, heir of a half-great-uncle who moved here 80 years before I did) – modified to avoid infringing on his arms – colors are reversed from the family arms, the engrailing is my addition, and the boar is courant to dexter in the family arms. (Not that I see things in black and white, mind! ;)) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/queer-science-fiction-geeks-unite/160771.md?page=4)