# Question about a birth certificate (adoption related/Utah) **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 7, 2026, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091 "2026-04-07T12:56:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/1 "2026-04-07T12:56:33Z")
Short question: Is there anything to identify an adoption birth certificate as such? [Joseph Kearns](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5434/joseph-kearns) was known to a generation of a certain age as the cranky “Mr. Wilson” in the old “Dennis the Mennace” TV series. He died pretty suddenly at age 55 in 1962. He had one sister [Elizabeth Kearns Deyo](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/281443218/elizabeth_olson-morris) [1909-1983]. The findagrave entry (which is user submitted) indicates that Joseph’s obit says that Elizabeth was adopted, but the birth certificate shows that she had the same biological parents as Joseph. In my own limited experience, I know my wife’s birth cert shows her adoptive parents as her parents, but not having seen it personally, I don’t know if there’s anything to show that it was amended or not an original. Elizabeth’s findagrave entry shows her birth cert. for reference. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/2 "2026-04-07T20:00:29Z")
I assume because in the Goode Olde Days, adoption records were sealed ten ways from Sunday and very private, and back then there were even people who never told thier child they were adopted - I would be surprised if “adopted” was explicit on a document like that. Are things different today? (also because often social pressure, teen pregnancy and no abortion meant some adoptees came from families that were reluctant to admit their daughter’s situation, so wanted serious privacy - which the law was designed to protect) ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/3 "2026-04-07T20:34:47Z")
I’ve never seen a birth certificate that says anything about adoption. I have seen certificates that say Amended on them, but never what has been amended (and the amendment could be anything from correcting a spelling error to changing the parent’s name to somebody else). (Back in the day, it was not unusual for the place of birth to be amended, to make an adopted child be born in the city where the adoptive parents lived. I have heard reports that the date might be adjusted slightly as well, although I’ve not seen evidence of that.) ---
**Author:** ![TRC4941](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trc4941/32/6792_2.png) [@TRC4941](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TRC4941)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/4 "2026-04-08T14:00:25Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > I know my wife’s birth cert shows her adoptive parents as her parents, Here’s another angle on this question. My son died, leaving two young children behind. His fiancée (the kids’ mom) married a few years later. He’s a great guy and is great with the kids. If he decided to adopt them, would my son’s name be removed from their birth certificates? Or does that only happen when the child is a baby? I would hate that his name would be removed.😞 ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2026, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/5 "2026-04-09T22:12:32Z")
> [@TRC4941](#): > > If he decided to adopt them, would my son’s name be removed from their birth certificates? Or does that only happen when the child is a baby? Yes, the adoptive father’s name would replace the birth father’s name (your son), no matter how old the child was. Even in a case of adult adoption, the parents’ names can be changed. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/6 "2026-04-15T02:46:57Z")
@md-2000 is correct, or at least that matches my experience. I’ve never seen the original that has my birth mother’s name and my original name, though I assume it exists somewhere because my parents knew my birth name. Back in the day, getting a copy of my birth certificate was a real hassle, like as if they keep adoptees records on some hard to reach shelf or something. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/7 "2026-04-15T03:22:30Z")
Yeah, my birth certificate shows my adoptive parents as my parents. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/8 "2026-04-15T03:31:39Z")
Thanks, but to the extent that I know anything about adoption birth certificates, I did know that the adoptive parents were listed as parents. But tying it back to my original question: There was a discrepancy in the reporting about whether Mr. Wilson’s sister was biological or adopted. Her findagrave entry shows her birth certificate, and there’s no indication that is amended, the question being “If she had been adopted, would the birth certificate show anything indicating it’s not the original.” My (admittedly limited) understanding is that at least back in the old days, if the adoption went thru a state agency that the original birth certificate was sealed and the adoptive parents would receive an amended certificate. Private adoptions, maybe yes, maybe no. I have a friend who was adopted and after her mother died, and she was going thru her ‘stuff’ she came across her [private] adoption papers, which listed her birth mother’s name. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/9 "2026-04-15T03:55:44Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > Back in the day, getting a copy of my birth certificate was a real hassle, like as if they keep adoptees records on some hard to reach shelf or something. Even now in 2026, there are only [sixteen states](https://adopteerightslaw.com/maps/) (in the US) where adult adoptees have an unrestricted legal right to their original pre-adoption birth certificate. In the remaining 34 states and the District of Columbia, adoptees face a variety of restrictions; in some cases, a court order is required. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/10 "2026-04-15T04:44:37Z")
NM…dumbness on my part ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2026, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/11 "2026-04-19T15:48:05Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > But tying it back to my original question: There was a discrepancy in the reporting about whether Mr. Wilson’s sister was biological or adopted. Her findagrave entry shows her birth certificate, and there’s no indication that is amended, the question being “If she had been adopted, would the birth certificate show anything indicating it’s not the original.” No, it wouldn’t show anything on the birth certificate about her adoption or an amendment. I’ve seen both of my husband’s, and everything is the same on the pre and post adoption certificates except the parents’ names. Even the certificate numbers are the same. Part of the reason for issuing the new birth certificate with the adoptive parents’ names is so that everyone who needs to see the birth certificate doesn’t have questions about why the parents’ names aren’t on the birth certificate. There’s nothing shameful about being adopted but it doesn’t mean every school secretary or baseball coach needs to know about it. The other part of the reasoning is because the law doesn’t treat adopted children any differently than bio children and in order for that to work without the name change people would have to pull out the adoption paperwork fairly often, every time a birth certicate is needed to prove parentage. For example, my husband’s adoptive mother died without a will. If the names had not been changed, it’s very likely that her bank accounts would have been turned over to the state because he never found the actual adoption decree. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2026, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/12 "2026-04-19T21:56:09Z")
Thanks. Reason I ask is that to the extent possible, when I come across either erroneous or uncorroborated biographical or historical info, I try to correct it based on available evidence. Someone used the birth certificate as proof that Kearns’s sister was indeed the bio sister, which I don’t think is good enough based on Kearns’s obit. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/13 "2026-09-15T12:13:29Z")
This will probably never have an answer (and it’s not like there is anyone even asking about this), but I found some stuff in the archives that seems to point toward the sister having been adopted, and possibly from a relative, based on one of the marriage documents. BTW, Kearns’s other claim to fame aside from crotchety Mr. Wilson was his huge organ. It was so big he had his house built around it. OK, now it’s back to silent “Our Gang” peripheral actor “Sing Joy” from the silent days, who was possibly Hispanic, but played a Chinese character. Records on this chap are murky and contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/14 "2026-09-15T14:39:38Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > BTW, Kearns’s other claim to fame aside from crotchety Mr. Wilson was his huge organ. It was so big he had his house built around it. [![](https://cdn-v2.meme.com/memes/they-had-us-in-the-first-half/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-template.webp) ](https://cdn-v2.meme.com/memes/they-had-us-in-the-first-half/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-template.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2026, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-a-birth-certificate-adoption-related-utah/1029091/15 "2026-09-23T14:41:23Z")
Both of my kids are adopted, from South Korea. One born in 1990, one in 1991. Following guidance from our agency, we applied for their NY State Birth Certificates as soon as the plane hit the tarmac. This facilitated insurance and established a legal foothold. I know we had each kids’ birth certificate WELL before their adoption was finalized in Family Court. In both cases, their place and date of birth are clearly shown. Not sure the word “adopted” actually appears. But the city and nation are listed.