# Question about Bourne Identity/Bourne Supremacy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643 "2009-02-27T10:17:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IdahoMauleMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/71c47a/32.png) [@IdahoMauleMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IdahoMauleMan)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/1 "2009-02-27T10:17:29Z")
I watched the two back-to-back the other night. Always good popcorn fun. At the end of the first one, an ‘asset’ for the CIA kills Jason’s Bourne’s immediate boss (Conklin) in the streets of Paris. It’s a little visual bait-and-switch the director pulls on us, since we think it’s Bourne shuffling (injured) along the Paris street when in fact it is Conklin. Then, in the second movie, Bourne drops into a stylish Munich townhouse and gets into a fight with an ex-Treadstone dude who clearly knows who Bourne is, about the Conklin shooting in Paris, and who states ‘You and I are the last two.’ My question is: Are those two characters supposed to be the same dude? Meaning, the same ‘asset’? The actors are clearly different. But sometimes that happens between movie sequels. This has been bugging me and I’m hoping a fellow Doper can provide the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/2 "2009-02-27T10:32:27Z")
[IMDB](http://www.imdb.com)is your friend. Cast lists for both the [Bourne Supremacy](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372183/fullcredits#cast) and the [Bourne Identity](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258463/fullcredits#cast) list a character named Marshall, but this character is played by different actors: [David Selburg](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0782966/) in BI and [Tomas Arana](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032962/) in BS. Hope this helps; I’m too sketchy on the plot details of these films to tell if this is what you’re looking for and IMDB is not helping me on these details. ---
**Author:** ![IdahoMauleMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/71c47a/32.png) [@IdahoMauleMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IdahoMauleMan)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/3 "2009-02-27T10:46:20Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > [IMDB](http://www.imdb.com)is your friend. Cast lists for both the [Bourne Supremacy](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372183/fullcredits#cast) and the [Bourne Identity](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258463/fullcredits#cast) list a character named Marshall, but this character is played by different actors: [David Selburg](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0782966/) in BI and [Tomas Arana](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032962/) in BS. > > Hope this helps; I’m too sketchy on the plot details of these films to tell if this is what you’re looking for and IMDB is not helping me on these details. IMDB is indeed my friend! And I didn’t even know it. Thanks for the resource! Update: I don’t think it’s Marshall. That looks like a CIA manager. But that doesn’t mean I’m not a new fan of IMDB ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/4 "2009-02-27T11:22:14Z")
The guy in the townhouse in _Supremacy_ was Jarda (played by NZer Marton Csokas - I always remember the NZers). No, he wasn’t supposed to be the same guy as in _Identity_. He’s just meant to be Treadstone agent, like Clive Owen was in _Identity_. I can’t believe you’ve never used IMDb before. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/5 "2009-02-27T13:24:36Z")
Just wanted to add - the books are well with a read if you like “popcorn reading” the whole series was far more enjoyable for me in written form ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/6 "2009-02-27T14:55:33Z")
My wife and I just watched all three. Her summary: that the Borne character was probably just a training/audit exercise cooked up by the CIA. Questionable CIA big-wigs are given a test: chase after Jason. If they die/get outed as corrupt, they fail. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-bourne-identity-bourne-supremacy/487643/7 "2009-02-27T16:37:52Z")
> [@IdahoMauleMan](#): > > At the end of the first one, an ‘asset’ for the CIA kills Jason’s Bourne’s immediate boss (Conklin) in the streets of Paris. Nevermind