# Question about gang rape; forgive me.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [October 29, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033 "2008-10-29T02:34:36Z")
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/1 "2008-10-29T02:34:36Z")
I have often read the words “raped to death,” especially in articles or stories about the “Rape of Nanking,” which details the truly horrible atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese invaders of the city of Nanking, China. Without going into too much detail, it was apparently a common practice for “many” Japanese soldiers to capture and basically gang rape a Chinese woman “to death.” This atrocity was always perpetrated with a maximum of violence; the women were beaten into submission with rifle butts and the like. They were also beaten sadistically during the course of the gang rape and in most cases, the death of the woman was as much a goal as the sexual gratification, if the act was indeed sexual. It seems to me that the death of the woman was made certain by the violence inflicted on her; horrific wounds were the norm, as was the fact that physical abuse was virtually non stop during the course of the rape. Even so, the distinction was always that the woman was “raped to death” and not “beaten to death.”
Thanks to the SDMB, my internet exposure has taught me there are things going on that I would not have credited. For instance, I have learned there are women who have willingly submitted to group sex with large (100+) numbers of men in attempts to win and hold the title of Gang Bang Queen of the World, or some such. I would imagine that these contests are conducted under very controlled circumstances and that the women in question are given breaks, kept hydrated, allowed to eat, drink, and rest as required.
If those amenities were removed and if the number of men was limitless, could or would a woman die as a result of constant or near constant sexual intercourse? (No other kind of sex act would take place)
What’s the opinion on this?
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/2 "2008-10-29T02:38:25Z")
Definitely; eventually she’d be rubbed raw and bleed to death.
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### Author:  [@pendgwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pendgwen)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/3 "2008-10-29T02:52:38Z")
There was recently an article on CNN’s webpage about the victims of sexual violence and warfare in Kenya. It talked about the kind of lasting injury many of these women have. For instance many of them are incontinent from the way tissues are torn during such a violent rape. I’d think that women raped to death could die from internal injuries, from bleeding, or from infected wounds. I also think you need to broaden your definition of rape. Sexual violence as a deliberate war tactic often includes penetration with objects as well as garden variety penile pentration.
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### Author:  [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/4 "2008-10-29T03:09:52Z")
Time to \*step away \*from the Internet…
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### Author:  [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/5 "2008-10-29T03:24:29Z")
> **[The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II: Chang, Iris:...](https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-Forgotten-Holocaust-World/dp/0140277447)**
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> The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II \[Chang, Iris\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II
I think you’re talking about that book by Iris Chang.
It has horrifying pictures in it that I wish I’d never seen.
There is also a popular term ‘bukkake’ that involves many many men jerking off on a woman.
Very different issues.
Please become educated before you post.
Thanks.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/6 "2008-10-29T04:14:12Z")
> [@pendgwen](#):
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> There was recently an article on CNN’s webpage about the victims of sexual violence and warfare in Kenya. It talked about the kind of lasting injury many of these women have. For instance many of them are incontinent from the way tissues are torn during such a violent rape.
[Here’s](http://www.msmagazine.com/spring2005/congo.asp) a piece on vaginal fistula and other physical consequences of rape and gang rape in the Congo.
> [@](#):
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> She walked with balled-up fabric clenched between her thighs, to soak up blood that had been oozing from her vagina for two years, since she had been gang-raped by Rwandan militia soldiers who plundered her village in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). Finally, she arrived at Panzi Hospital.
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> Here, Thérèse takes her place in line, along with 80 women, waiting for surgery to rebuild her vagina. Dr. Denis Mukwege, Panzi’s sole gynecologist and one of two doctors in the eastern Congo who can perform such reconstructive surgeries, can repair only five women a week. The air is thick with flies. It reeks from women with fistula: rips in the vaginal wall where rape tore out chunks of flesh separating the bladder and rectum from the vagina.
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> [edited text]
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> “They rape a woman, five or six of them at a time — but that is not enough. Then they shoot a gun into her vagina,” says Dr. Mukwege. “In all my years here, I never saw anything like it. … [T]o see so many raped, that shocks me, but what shocks me more is the way they are raped.”
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> Each armed group has a trademark manner of violating, he explains. The Burundians rape men as well as women. The Mai Mai — local defense forces — rape with branches or bayonets, and mutilate their victims. The Rwandans, like those who attacked Thérèse, set groups of soldiers to rape one woman.
As **pendgwen** mentioned, if a man or group of men are willing to rape a woman, I doubt it’s usually a matter of missionary sex. Even then, she is not a willing partner. Everything conducive to pleasurable sex – muscle response, adequate lubrication – is likely missing. The alternate definition of rape – assault with a blunt weapon – is particularly useful here.
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### Author:  [@PopeJewish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PopeJewish)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/7 "2008-10-29T04:37:58Z")
> [@BrassyPhrase](#):
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> [The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II: Chang, Iris: 9780140277449: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-Forgotten-Holocaust-World/dp/0140277447/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225250479&sr=8-3)
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> I think you’re talking about that book by Iris Chang.
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> It has horrifying pictures in it that I wish I’d never seen.
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> There is also a popular term ‘bukkake’ that involves many many men jerking off on a woman.
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> Very different issues.
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> Please become educated before you post.
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> Thanks.
It should be noted when discussing Iris Chang’s book that most historians take it with a grain of salt. She has a tendency to overestimate absolutely every number given to her (she says 2 million dead, most sources say anywhere from 200,000 to maybe 700,000, etc) Still a good read, just understand her numbers are out of whack
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### Author:  [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/8 "2008-10-29T04:44:35Z")
I’ve mentioned elsewhere that my late mother-in-law was a little girl in China during the Japanese occupation. She was born in 1929 or 1930, I think. I was told her family cut her hair short and disguised her as a little boy, because the Japanese soldiers were raping all the other little girls. ☹
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### Author:  [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/9 "2008-10-29T04:53:08Z")
> [@BrassyPhrase](#):
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> There is also a popular term ‘bukkake’ that involves many many men jerking off on a woman.
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> Very different issues.
Huh? Where did the OP mention bukkake?
God, this thread is genuinely making me sick to my stomach. I need to go look at some pictures of kittens or something.
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### Author:  [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/10 "2008-10-29T05:11:54Z")
> [@neutron\_star](#):
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> God, this thread is genuinely making me sick to my stomach. I need to go look at some pictures of kittens or something.
Obligatory links: [www.cuteoverload.com](http://www.cuteoverload.com) or
[http://www.ustream.tv/channel/shiba-inu-puppy-cam](http://www.ustream.tv/channel/shiba-inu-puppy-cam)
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### Author:  [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/11 "2008-10-29T05:14:03Z")
I was trying to make a distinction.
I should’ve stated that porn marathons aren’t real.
My apologies.
And I think others made the point about gang rape during warfare.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/12 "2008-10-29T10:05:34Z")
> [@pendgwen](#):
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> There was recently an article on CNN’s webpage about the victims of sexual violence and warfare in Kenya. It talked about the kind of lasting injury many of these women have. For instance many of them are incontinent from the way tissues are torn during such a violent rape. I’d think that women raped to death could die from internal injuries, from bleeding, or from infected wounds. I also think you need to broaden your definition of rape. Sexual violence as a deliberate war tactic often includes penetration with objects as well as garden variety penile pentration.
I thought I had made it clear that no violence was involved and the woman in my example was not injured in any way other than by being deprived of food and drink. Not being injured would, I would think, automatically remove the possibility of inserting any kind of foreign object and I’m not at all sure why you assumed the question I asked had anything whatsoever to do with rape as a war tactic.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/13 "2008-10-29T10:09:28Z")
> [@BrassyPhrase](#):
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> [The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II: Chang, Iris: 9780140277449: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-Forgotten-Holocaust-World/dp/0140277447/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225250479&sr=8-3)
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> I think you’re talking about that book by Iris Chang.
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> It has horrifying pictures in it that I wish I’d never seen.
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> There is also a popular term ‘bukkake’ that involves many many men jerking off on a woman.
>
> Very different issues.
>
> Please become educated before you post.
>
> Thanks.
Please read the OP before you post. Thank you. That being said, how the hell did bukkake creep into my example? So far, you are the only jerkoff who has mentioned it. I sure as hell didn’t and it has no part whatever in the question I asked.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/14 "2008-10-29T10:14:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> Definitely; eventually she’d be rubbed raw and bleed to death.
Thanks for your answer; you seem to be the only person who actually read the OP and understood my question.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/15 "2008-10-29T10:17:29Z")
> [@neutron\_star](#):
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> Huh? Where did the OP mention bukkake?
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> God, this thread is genuinely making me sick to my stomach. I need to go look at some pictures of kittens or something.
The misinterpretation of my question and the apparently deliberate modifications of the conditions I set forth are making me sicker than you, believe me.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/16 "2008-10-29T10:45:26Z")
If I may be allowed, the OP had to do with the result of constant or very nearly constant sexual intercourse that would take place over an unspecified period of time.
I specified that no other type of sexual act would take place and I specified that the woman in question would not be injured in order to secure her participation; If her willingness to participate is an issue, let’s just assume that she volunteered while in her right mind, was not coerced and was fully aware of what she was getting herself into and was completely willing to participate. Her motives are unknown and the probability of this ever actually happening in real life is zero.
The question is this: If a woman subjected herself _willingly_ to having uninterrupted sexual intercourse with an infinite number of men over some unspecified period of time, would death result _solely_ as a consequence of the act of sexual intercourse or not?
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/17 "2008-10-29T10:51:56Z")
This is slightly off-topic (forgive me **LouisB** ), but in my understanding of warfare historically, apart from seizing lands and looting for bootie etc, one of the ‘spoils’ of war was the systematic raping of the indigenous women…not so much for the immediate sexual gratification of the invading troops (although that was always a bonus), but in order to impregnate the women with invaders sperm, thus assuring their continued racial and genetic domination of the region.
So, the act of killing women by raping them to death would seem to defeat that purpose in that they would not bear the offspring of the invading armies wouldn’t it?
Can someone enlighten me please?
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/18 "2008-10-29T10:57:02Z")
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by Gatopescado:
> Last edited by Gatopescado; Yesterday at 11:10 PM. Reason: Reduce your Carbon Footprint: Kill yourself.
If you are deliberately suggesting that I kill myself because I posed a question that you found offensive then I believe you are way out of line and quite possibly guilty of violating one or more of the SDMB rules.
If you are suggesting that I kill myself because you thought such a response would be amusing, I don’t find it amusing at all.
Just so you know.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/19 "2008-10-29T11:01:50Z")
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by BrassyPhrase:
> I should’ve stated that porn marathons aren’t real.
Cite?
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/20 "2008-10-29T11:02:33Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> The question is this: If a woman subjected herself _willingly_ to having uninterrupted sexual intercourse with an infinite number of men over some unspecified period of time, would death result _solely_ as a consequence of the act of sexual intercourse or not?
As was mentioned above, eventually (all other things being OK) the abrasive action of a penis rubbing against a vaginal wall (because natural lubrication would dry up sooner rather than later) would create lesions and bleeding that would eventually cause the victim to bleed out. IMHO, anyway, IANAGynaecologist or anything, but logic prevails I guess.
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