# Question about gang rape; forgive me.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [October 29, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033 "2008-10-29T02:34:36Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
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### Author:  [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/21 "2008-10-29T14:16:27Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> I thought I had made it clear that no violence was involved and the woman in my example was not injured in any way other than by being deprived of food and drink. Not being injured would, I would think, automatically remove the possibility of inserting any kind of foreign object and I’m not at all sure why you assumed the question I asked had anything whatsoever to do with rape as a war tactic.
In the hypothetical example, the woman is only raped…but in the examples in “The Rape of Nanking,” is rape definitely the cause? Or were foreign objects/weapons also used that could have contributed? (I know that’s not really what you’re asking, but just curious.) I think the question of rape as a war tactic was brought up because of the OP and the fact that maybe those women died due to the fact that rape as a war tactic is accompanied by general violence (which tends to be employed–insertion of objects, etc.).
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### Author:  [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/22 "2008-10-29T14:45:03Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> If you are deliberately suggesting that I kill myself because I posed a question that you found offensive then I believe you are way out of line and quite possibly guilty of violating one or more of the SDMB rules.
> If you are suggesting that I kill myself because you thought such a response would be amusing, I don’t find it amusing at all.
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> Just so you know.
I took it to mean he’s so disgusted with the depths of humanity displayed by the warfare tactics described in the thread that he’d like to off himself rather than read more. But I could be wrong.
While it’s fiction, the miniseries _I, Claudius_ portrayed a supposedly historic event where a gentlewoman (I use the term very loosely) wagered with the head of the prostitute’s guild in a fuck-off. Two lines of men, two beds, two women, some amount of gold per man for the prostitute. The prostitute eventually lost, staggering out saying, “Her insides must be made of iron!”
From my own experiences with marathon sessions of consensual sex with a single man and artificial lubricant, I can say that I can’t go for more than an hour or two without significant pain the next day, and blood on the tissue when I wipe. I can easily imagine that a longer session or a non-consensual one (where he won’t stop when asked) and one without natural or artificial lube would lead to some terrible tissue damage and leave many fissures open for infection, even if the only weapons used were penises.
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### Author:  [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/23 "2008-10-29T14:51:05Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> If you are deliberately suggesting that I kill myself because I posed a question that you found offensive then I believe you are way out of line and quite possibly guilty of violating one or more of the SDMB rules.
> If you are suggesting that I kill myself because you thought such a response would be amusing, I don’t find it amusing at all.
>
> Just so you know.
> [@WhyNot](#):
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> I took it to mean he’s so disgusted with the depths of humanity displayed by the warfare tactics described in the thread that he’d like to off himself rather than read more. But I could be wrong.
He adds that edit to almost every single one of his posts. It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/24 "2008-10-30T23:14:07Z")
> [@kambuckta](#):
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> As was mentioned above, eventually (all other things being OK) the abrasive action of a penis rubbing against a vaginal wall (because natural lubrication would dry up sooner rather than later) would create lesions and bleeding that would eventually cause the victim to bleed out. IMHO, anyway, IANAGynaecologist or anything, but logic prevails I guess.
Thank you; your answer is logical and to the point. I hadn’t considered the drying up factor.
I thought long and hard about posting this stupid question, believe me. I obviously came to the wrong conclusion about doing so.
Now that I have a logical answer I would hope that some passing moderator will close this idiotic thread.
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### Author:  [@jtsPimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtsPimp)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/25 "2008-10-30T23:17:17Z")
dude, that’s just sick. Why do you even want to know about that.
that’s horrible. I totally despair of humanity.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/26 "2008-10-30T23:30:27Z")
> [@jtsPimp](#):
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> dude, that’s just sick. Why do you even want to know about that.
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> that’s horrible. I totally despair of humanity.
Wow, **Louis**. You grossed out a pimp. Good job!
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### Author:  [@InterestedObserver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InterestedObserver)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/27 "2008-10-31T00:01:06Z")
> [@LouisB](#):
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> I have often read the words “raped to death,” especially in articles or stories about the “Rape of Nanking,” which details the truly horrible atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese invaders of the city of Nanking, China. Without going into too much detail, it was apparently a common practice for “many” Japanese soldiers to capture and basically gang rape a Chinese woman “to death.” This atrocity was always perpetrated with a maximum of violence; the women were beaten into submission with rifle butts and the like. They were also beaten sadistically during the course of the gang rape and in most cases, the death of the woman was as much a goal as the sexual gratification, if the act was indeed sexual. It seems to me that the death of the woman was made certain by the violence inflicted on her; horrific wounds were the norm, as was the fact that physical abuse was virtually non stop during the course of the rape. Even so, the distinction was always that the woman was “raped to death” and not “beaten to death.”
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> Thanks to the SDMB, my internet exposure has taught me there are things going on that I would not have credited. For instance, I have learned there are women who have willingly submitted to group sex with large (100+) numbers of men in attempts to win and hold the title of Gang Bang Queen of the World, or some such. I would imagine that these contests are conducted under very controlled circumstances and that the women in question are given breaks, kept hydrated, allowed to eat, drink, and rest as required.
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> If those amenities were removed and if the number of men was limitless, could or would a woman die as a result of constant or near constant sexual intercourse? (No other kind of sex act would take place)
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> What’s the opinion on this?
Considering that rape is an act of violence and NOT a sexual act, primarily, yes, a woman could die of it. She is typically beaten and/or taken by force w/o adequate arousal/lubrication or willingness and that can result in lacerations and contusions, often severe. And not a great deal of consideration from rapists, either vaginal or anal.
If the constant sexual intercourse were consensual, no, she would not die as a result, because consensual implies that the male involved would STOP or moderate his actions when or if she indicated discomfort. Rape doesn’t typically allow for such open communication.
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### Author:  [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/28 "2008-10-31T05:02:32Z")
> [@InterestedObserver](#):
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> Considering that rape is an act of violence and NOT a sexual act, primarily, yes, a woman could die of it. She is typically beaten and/or taken by force w/o adequate arousal/lubrication or willingness and that can result in lacerations and contusions, often severe. And not a great deal of consideration from rapists, either vaginal or anal.
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> If the constant sexual intercourse were consensual, no, she would not die as a result, because consensual implies that the male involved would STOP or moderate his actions when or if she indicated discomfort. Rape doesn’t typically allow for such open communication.
And then there’s the prostitute who didn’t know it was rape until the check bounced.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2008, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/29 "2008-10-31T13:33:06Z")
[Mod Reminder]
1. Keep it civil
2. Stay on-topic
Thank you.
[/Mod Reminder]
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/30 "2008-11-04T13:23:25Z")
> [@InterestedObserver](#):
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> Considering that rape is an act of violence and NOT a sexual act, primarily, yes, a woman could die of it. She is typically beaten and/or taken by force w/o adequate arousal/lubrication or willingness and that can result in lacerations and contusions, often severe. And not a great deal of consideration from rapists, either vaginal or anal.
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> If the constant sexual intercourse were consensual, no, she would not die as a result, because consensual implies that the male involved would STOP or moderate his actions when or if she indicated discomfort. Rape doesn’t typically allow for such open communication.
Did you read the part where I said that no physical coercion or injury would be involved?
Did you read the part where I said that the woman in question volunteered to participate in sexual intercourse with an infinite number of men over an unspecified amount of time?
And where in the hell did ‘anal’ come from?
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### Author:  [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-gang-rape-forgive-me/470033/31 "2008-11-04T13:25:55Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> Wow, **Louis**. You grossed out a pimp. Good job!
Thanks, even though grossing people out was never one of my intentions.
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