# Question about Live Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 2, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558 "2005-03-02T05:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/101 "2005-03-04T20:20:08Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > (P.S. I’m actually Donna Summer. Don’t tell anybody.) Oh baby, do you have some explaining to do then. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/102 "2005-03-04T20:22:05Z")
> [@Aries28](#): > > Oh baby, do you have some explaining to do then. 😉 Try to keep up, woman! I’m not Donna Summer. I’m Gladys Night. Wait a minute, wait a minute … no I’m not! I just checked. I’m Gumby, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/103 "2005-03-04T20:31:59Z")
Gladys Knight? Judging from your wife’s LJ stories, you’re definitely a Pip… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/104 "2005-03-04T20:43:31Z")
See, I couldn’t even spell Gladys’ name correctly, so the more observant among you could tell I wasn’t her. But it’s not so easy with the Gumby thing, is it? Maybe I really **am** Gumby … or maybe I’m Gladys (K)Night, and I just can’t spell worth a crap. Nah … I can’t lie to you folks. I’m Gumby, dammit! **jayjay** : People keep mentioning all these stories about me in my wife’s LiveJournal. I’m beginning to be concerned. Is she snarking on me anonymously in there, or what? Ordinarily I’d blow off anonymous snark, but if it’s my _wife_’s anonymous snark, that carries a little more weight. Of course, if it’s anonymous, then you wouldn’t know it was my wife doing the snarking … man, that’s a conundrum. I’m gonna have to lie down while I think about that one. Wake me up if you see my boss heading this way. ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/105 "2005-03-04T21:00:51Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > But as a friend has suggested, I am more akin to the candle wax that is consumed by the flame. And I have to ask myself if the fire is worth the candle. Well then I have some advice for you: NEVER GO OUTSIDE! IT’S NOT SAFE OUT THERE! Jesus, do people really talk like this in real life? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/106 "2005-03-04T21:23:43Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > I’m gonna have to lie down while I think about that one. Wake me up if you see my boss heading this way. I wouldn’t worry. Morgoth’s taking a VERY long lunch…it’s lasted about 9 Ages now… ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/107 "2005-03-04T21:26:27Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Did I say I was Donna Summer? My bad. I meant Gladys Knight. I’m really, really Gladys Night. Honest. Awright! I love the Pimps. ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/108 "2005-03-04T23:37:48Z")
> [@Demo](#): > > Well then I have some advice for you: > > NEVER GO OUTSIDE! IT’S NOT SAFE OUT THERE! > > Jesus, do people really talk like this in real life? That’s the worst thing I’ve ever read. You, sir, are worse than Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/109 "2005-03-05T01:16:09Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > That’s the worst thing I’ve ever read. You, sir, are worse than Hitler. Right, that’s enough. I invoke Gaudere’s Law and claim my right to have you locked up and the key thrown away. Kindly continue your sewerine discussion in LJ. And be sure to send me the link ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/110 "2005-03-05T03:51:58Z")
So, it’s nasty. Who cares? We’re big kids now. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/111 "2005-03-05T05:58:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Heck, for all anyone here knows, all my brilliant, funny, insightful posts were written by my pet llama, and I wrote all the stupid, vapid, inflammatory ones. There’s no way to tell. Well, if I were a bettin’ man, . . . . > [@](#): > > Hamadryad, . . . at least you have the balls. . . Hamadryad has balls? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Zhen\_ka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecccb3/32.png) [@Zhen\_ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zhen_ka)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/112 "2005-03-05T09:39:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, there is a little place called The Pit, you know. If you’ve got a problem with someone, and need to say it, at least own up to it. Like you did when you’d post links on the SDMB LJ to poke fun at people or invite others to come and look at/post to threads? You’ve already been called on it in the anon communities (you should know since you read/post to them). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \*“but oh, I don’t want to get piled on or have people think badly of me.” Well, guess what? You can’t always have it both ways. I actually think LESS of those who go to LJ and snark anonymously than those who post it in the Pit in their own names. Yet, you didn’t open Pit threads and went to LJ. Why? And, don’t even bother countering with the “anonymous” thing, since you weren’t willing to put up here–you had to do it at LJ. Using your name or not, you knew that the subjects of your threads would (more than likely) not see them. Some crusader you are. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* **Hamadryad** , I for one have _gained_ respect for you seeing you post there and using your name. You and I may not be friends, but at least you have the balls to stand behind your own words, rather than hide behind “anonymous” because you don’t want people to think badly of you. That’s something to admire. Maybe you should start a pit thread with a link to the SDMB LJ community when you start attacking posters there. That would be something to admire. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \*Especially since, for all I know, it could be someone I consider to be a friend, who makes nice to my face and then trashes me behind my face. If someone has a problem with me, at least have the balls to say it to me directly. Post it in a comment in MY LJ, if you don’t want to do it here, or e-mail me. You’ve proven that you’re not that naive–especially when LJ serves to fuel your own “trashing” of other posters. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > I’ve seen people gleefully discuss an instance where a poster had a nervous breakdown in reaction to meds that Doper was on. I’ve seen people make nasty remarks about peoples’ children. I’ve seen accusations of CRIMES committed (a Doper put child porn on some other Doper’s computer, that there were drugs and booze being passed around right in front of children at Dopefests, that various Dopers are cheating on their spouses, etc). I also see a lot of homophobia and down right slurs-“tricked out tranny”, “gay-ass fag”, etc. And you could have seen a lot of that stuff happening elsewhere–on personal LJs, in chat, on other spin-off boards. In fact, a number of things you posted are things that have been talked about for years. You know, before the “anon” communities. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > A lot of the stuff said-about poster BEHAVIOR, could be said in the Pit. But these people obviously don’t want people to think badly of them, so they go to LJ. And don’t give me that crap that “everyone’s anonymous on the Internet, anyways!” IF that’s the case, they’d use their names over at LJ, rather than post anonymously. And, they’d remember being called on it themselves (in those very same anon communities) and would not be so self-righteous now. How’s that working out, anyway? Haven’t been to SDMB LJ in a while so I haven’t seen your new links. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \*Look, I don’t care about there being a place to anonymously discuss things that happen here without getting in trouble (topics forbidden on the Dope, or wanting to ask a question about a sensitive issue without being embarassed), but when it’s just a place to bring down people, that’s not something I’d be proud of. Hell, people often do that on the SDMB lj-talk about some situations that we aren’t allowed to on the boards. But they do so under their Doper identities. Unless you’re willing to open a Pit thread where the target of your derision can respond, then it’s no different. Don’t say that you’ve changed–it’s not an excuse. You’ve done the very same things that you are attacking the anon people for. That makes your comments hypocritical. You know this already, since you can’t stay away from those anonymous sites that you are so quick to judge. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > Again-it’s not the community itself-it’s that a lot of people use them as a place to completely trash and humiliate others while they don’t have to own up to it. THAT is what I have a problem with. Not anonymous places in and of themselves, but that people there will post outright hateful shit and get away with it. Don’t tell me that “Oh, well so and so was actually DEFENDED when his/her name was brought up!” So what? Yeah, you stick up for so and so, but what’s his/her name is getting dragged through the mud. So it seems only the “uncool” kids get picked on. You’re joking, correct? You read and post in those communities often enough to know that it is the “cool” kids who get posted about. It’s a reaction to the perceived “clique” mentality on the boards that people who are outside the group recognize. I reckon that some just ignore it, some challenge it here, and others go to LJ. Just like you take you’re silly, petty slams to LJ. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > So maybe I’m a pathetic loser with no life-but you’re going out of your way to talk about how I’m a pathetic loser with no life, without admitting who you are. So what does that make YOU? > > :dubious: I’m not gonna call you a loser. In a different forum, I’d call you a hypocrite, but I know you’ve been called that before and it’s made precious little difference. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/113 "2005-03-05T13:27:39Z")
> [@Zhen'ka](#): > > Don’t say that you’ve changed–it’s not an excuse. You’ve done the very same things that you are attacking the anon people for. That makes your comments hypocritical. I am pretty much burned out of this topic (no, really) but one thing I want ask: I don’t know anything about these accusations against Guin—don’t know if they’re true, or distorted, I’m _completely_ out of the loop in that regard. But I will say, even if someone is a “hypocrite,” does it necessarily negate the things they say? This “I know I am but what are you” or “_Hypocrite!_” mantra might work for a while, but if some (or most, or all) of the charges Guin claims _are_ true, then they’re still true. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/114 "2005-03-05T13:39:40Z")
> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > So, it’s nasty. Who cares? > We’re big kids now. We may be big kids, but I’ve seen these communities, and even been the subject of discussion in some of them. The people who post there sure don’t act like big kids. Kindergarteners, maybe, but not big kids. Of course, if the worst anyone can say about me is that I’m a fat drunk, both of which are true (well, sober drunk on a diet), then I must be a hell of a person. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/115 "2005-03-05T16:16:44Z")
> [@](#): > > And, they’d remember being called on it themselves (in those very same anon communities) and would not be so self-righteous now. How’s that working out, anyway? Haven’t been to SDMB LJ in a while so I haven’t seen your new links. And of course, **Zhen’ka** , you’re correct and that was wrong of me. I fucked up, and that was a shitty thing to do. I agree here! > [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > So, it’s nasty. Who cares? > We’re big kids now. So why not act like “big kids” instead of some 8th grade clique? ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/116 "2005-03-05T18:08:30Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > The people who post there sure don’t act like big kids. Kindergarteners, maybe, but not big kids. > > Robin Luckily some of the “kindergartners” there will call bullshit and defend people who are being attacked. Not always effectively, not often enough, but they do. Pretty impressive kindergartners. I especially like the kindergartners who use humor to derail a particiulalry nasty thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/117 "2005-03-05T20:18:00Z")
> [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](#): > > Luckily some of the “kindergartners” there will call bullshit and defend people who are being attacked. Not always effectively, not often enough, but they do. Pretty impressive kindergartners. I especially like the kindergartners who use humor to derail a particiulalry nasty thread. Sometimes. Again, I’ve noticed SOME people seem to be off limits, and others are fair game and get dragged through the mud, with maybe some weak, “Well, he/she’s not THAT bad.” Whatever. You know, whenever someone admits to posting their anonymously, it’s always, “But I don’t post the nasty stuff!” Well then, who the hell does? SOMEONE has to be posting this shit-it doesn’t get there on its own. I’m not saying you do it, **Cranky** , but dammit, I’m tired of everyone defending it. If you want to post there, that’s fine, but it pisses me off that people will be nice to someone’s face, then trash them behind their back. ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/118 "2005-03-05T21:05:49Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Sometimes. Again, I’ve noticed SOME people seem to be off limits, and others are fair game and get dragged through the mud, with maybe some weak, “Well, he/she’s not THAT bad.” > > Whatever. You know, whenever someone admits to posting their anonymously, it’s always, “But I don’t post the nasty stuff!” Well then, who the hell does? SOMEONE has to be posting this shit-it doesn’t get there on its own. > > I’m not saying you do it, **Cranky** , but dammit, I’m tired of everyone defending it. If you want to post there, that’s fine, but it pisses me off that people will be nice to someone’s face, then trash them behind their back. That, unfortunately, is life. What you don’t seem to understand is that you’re not helping one little bit by kicking up a fuss about it. Saying your piece once or twice? Sure. Saying it constantly? Um, maybe you’re ascribing a BIT too much importance to it. I’ve been discussed in the anon communities. Most of it was nice, but a lot of it was nasty. Some of it I had invited on myself, and some of it was just really low. But that’s the way of these communities. However, I don’t bother reading things anymore that I know will offend me, and I don’t talk about them ad infinitum either. I’m not trying to tell you to shut up, but maybe you could divert your focus to something else? ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/119 "2005-03-05T21:10:40Z")
What **Guin** said. Sure, some people come to the defense of others, but there are some sacred cows and some who are OK to trash. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558/120 "2005-03-05T22:11:25Z")
Perhaps. I guess I’m just irritated that people continue to say, "Well it’s not ALL bad, " or “Well, I never said anything nasty!” or “We do stick up for people!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-live-journal/292558.md?page=7)