# question about magickal languages ... **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 22, 2000, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874 "2000-12-22T17:26:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nashiitashii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7c8e57/32.png) [@nashiitashii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nashiitashii)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/1 "2000-12-22T17:26:27Z")
Ok, I’m in search of a good website that does show some magickal languages. You know, not an actual language like French or something with different words and grammar and stuff, but a separate glyph system. Thanks ahead of time for those who help. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/2 "2000-12-22T18:48:47Z")
**Five** doesn’t understand the question. ---
**Author:** ![Minxsmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Minxsmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minxsmom)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/3 "2000-12-22T19:05:37Z")
Do you mean runes and the like? ---
**Author:** ![Trout\_Mask\_Replica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a88e57/32.png) [@Trout\_Mask\_Replica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trout_Mask_Replica)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/4 "2000-12-22T19:09:50Z")
You mean something like [runes](http://w1.2777.telia.com/~u222200871/eindex.htm)? ---
**Author:** ![Akatsukami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Akatsukami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akatsukami)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/5 "2000-12-22T19:11:15Z")
I _think_ that [Winchell Chung’s Home Page](http://www.clark.net/pub/nyrath/home.html) is the sort of thing that you’re looking for. Of course, I could be as badly confused as **Five** , and simply not realize it. ---
**Author:** ![Minxsmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Minxsmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minxsmom)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/6 "2000-12-22T19:22:27Z")
[http://pagan.drak.net/moonsong/writing.html](http://pagan.drak.net/moonsong/writing.html) Here is the Magickal Alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![scratch1300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@scratch1300](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch1300)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/7 "2000-12-22T19:23:49Z")
This is a good site, too: [http://www.afternight.com/runes/](http://www.afternight.com/runes/) ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2000, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/8 "2000-12-22T21:21:27Z")
Here’s a magic enchantment that really works. If you say the word “Frumbletryft” every morning, between sunup and noon, every day for 36,525 days… you’ll live to be 100 years old. ---
**Author:** ![fish\_in\_the\_sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7ba0ec/32.png) [@fish\_in\_the\_sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fish_in_the_sky)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/9 "2000-12-23T02:52:14Z")
[Here](http://www2.mailordercentral.com/azuregreen/prodinfo.asp?number=EPWIT&variation=&aitem=21&mitem=21) is a poster for sale with the “witches’ alphabet” ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/10 "2000-12-23T05:28:33Z")
You can find a good site on the Enochian magical language/alphabet [right here.](http://members.cts.com/king/s/saoirse/EnochianMagickFrameSet.html) ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/11 "2000-12-23T05:34:08Z")
Well…sort of a good one. [Here’s another one](http://www.occultique.com/Enochian/index.html) that has translations of the calls into the Enochian language, and [here is the complete list](http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=enochian&list) of sites for this language. There, now I feel a bit better. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/12 "2000-12-23T05:37:52Z")
(Al Gore post-count-padding sigh) [Here is one more](http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/cassidy/pantographia.html) that I remembered, which contains several Chaldean alphabets. These crop up as “magical” alphabets in many of the standard grimoires (“Greater Key of Solomon”, Barrett’s “Magus”, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/13 "2000-12-23T05:40:05Z")
What, no mention of [Tengwar](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/9902/)? What is this board coming to? ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/14 "2000-12-23T05:55:42Z")
Ah, but was Tengwar really a _magical_ language, or was it simply used by magical beings? Vast, _ **vast** _ difference, you know… …or maybe not… On a side note, I actually invented a magical alphabet of my own; but there is currently no image of it on the net. Owes a lot to the “regular” letters of the Tengwar, which was the first phonetically arranged alphabet I’d ever seen. Had a major influence on all of my subsequent designs. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/15 "2000-12-23T19:03:15Z")
Well the Tengwar was used to write Valinorean, which I realize is just hopped up Quenya, spoken by the Valar. But Mithrandir spoke words of power in that language, as did Glorfindel, and even Frodo and Sam used the language to daunt their foes in Cirith Ungol, so I’d have to say that the language retains its magic even when used by mortals. Utulien Aure’! Utulien Aure’! Auta e’ Lome’! (The day has come! The day has come! Night is passing!) qadgop ---
**Author:** ![nashiitashii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7c8e57/32.png) [@nashiitashii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nashiitashii)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2000, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-magickal-languages/46874/16 "2000-12-24T17:49:29Z")
Thanks everyone. I copied a few of the alphabets down by hand in a notebook, being cautious to stay away from the Theban. [One of my friends writes in Theban, and I really don’t want to invade her privacy by having knowledge of it.] I’m also downloading Tengwar for my computer. This should prove to be interesting…