# ...Question about moderation in the Biden pro-Palestine thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 26, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773 "2024-04-26T01:45:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/1 "2024-04-26T01:45:26Z")
Continuing the discussion from [Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/35): > [@Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/35): > > > [@Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/33): > > > > …my strategic answer to the OP is that Biden has lost the pro-Palestine vote. You aren’t going to get them. The scale of the atrocities is too big. And Biden and his administration is not going to change course. > > This is a formal warning for disregarding moderator instructions. Your answer is a non-answer and offers nothing in the way of a suggestion for how to vote strategically for the OP. > > You are also banned from further posting in this thread as you appear to have no constructive advice to offer in it. …seeking an explanation here. _Not_ trying to convince pro-Palestine voters to vote for Biden is the strategic option I was recommending. Those voters are not going to change their mind. Spending any amount of time and resources on trying to change their minds would be a strategic mistake. Spend time and resources to get people where this isn’t the primary issue to get out and vote instead. Lean into the current strategy of largely ignoring the demands of the pro-Palestine movement and continue on course. Focus on the swing states and the small number of voters that make a difference instead. That was the gist of my posts in that thread, which I summarised in final post that was moderated. How is this a “non-answer?” ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/2 "2024-04-26T01:49:40Z")
That was one of the worst hijacks I’ve ever seen. @Aspenglow went light initially. It was only tangentially on topic and then the back and forth was completely off. Also, remember, this is ATMB, don’t start arguing or explaining the Palestinian issue in this thread either. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/3 "2024-04-26T01:52:27Z")
I’m not a mod, but your answer is about what the Biden campaign should do. The OP is asking what should a pro-Palestine voter do. So your answer isn’t really on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/4 "2024-04-26T01:52:30Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > It was only tangentially on topic and then the back and forth was completely off. …someone accused me of posting misinformation. I think responding to that at least deserved a response in that thread, in the very next post I bought it back on topic. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > Also, remember, this is ATMB, don’t start arguing or explaining the Palestinian issue in this thread either. I was moderated for posting a “non-answer.” I reposted my alleged “non-answer”, and have asked for clarification on why it was a non-answer. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/5 "2024-04-26T01:53:25Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > I’m not a mod, but your answer is about what the Biden campaign should do. The OP is asking what should a pro-Palestine voter do. …I answered that. They should sit out the next election if thats what they want to do. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/6 "2024-04-26T01:54:22Z")
You hijacked the thread If you think something was wrong with the reply flag it. Don’t make the hijack worse. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/7 "2024-04-26T01:56:36Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You hijacked the thread …to be clear here: I was _responding_ to a hijack. The other poster hijacked the thread. If they thought there was something wrong, they could have just flagged my post. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/8 "2024-04-26T01:57:57Z")
No, you hijacked it. [And this post you drew](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread/1000769/7) the warning for was still not on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/9 "2024-04-26T02:12:39Z")
For responding to a hijack, you received a mod note. For disregarding moderator instructions and continuing to post off-topic posts in the thread, you received a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/10 "2024-04-26T18:23:00Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > For disregarding moderator instructions and continuing to post off-topic posts in the thread, you received a warning. I agree that it was something of a hijack initially–but disagree that he was ignoring moderator instructions. While technically saying that Biden has lost the pro-Palestine vote might be advice to Biden and not the voters, it seems like hairsplitting: he’s clearly (to me) arguing that Biden is NOT a good choice for pro-Palestine voters. I appreciate bringing the thread back on track, but think the warning should be rescinded. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/11 "2024-04-26T18:52:56Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > I’m not a mod, but your answer is about what the Biden campaign should do. The OP is asking what should a pro-Palestine voter do. So your answer isn’t really on topic. I agree with this analysis. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/12 "2024-04-26T19:35:41Z")
Full context play by play: **Velocity** ’s OP: > [@Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714): > > Anytime pro-Palestine voters mention being disgruntled with Biden, the immediate - and only - reply to them is “If Trump wins, he’ll be even worse for Palestine than Biden.” Which is true, but as someone else pointed out, that’s like telling people that they must vote to eat a small shit sandwich or else their only option is to eat a bigger shit sandwich. At some point, they will demand a sandwich that’s not shit. Pro-Palestine voters have not got the slightest clout within the Republican Part… **Banquet\_Bear** answers the OP in part, by implication (don’t vote Biden) but invites hijacks on a number of topics. E.g. whether the IDF have committed a number of specific atrocities, Democratic party culpability for abortion issues, trans issues, voting rights issues. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769): > > …can we not do this? This week in Gaza Palestinians are discovering and exhuming mass graves. Over 700 bodies have been found so far including women, children, patients, hospital staff, people who have had their hands tied, shot in the head. Over on the West Bank a couple of days ago in a raid on a refugee camp 14 Palestinians were killed, 50 injured, and 4000 homes had their power and water cut off. Massive atrocities and war crimes have happened under Biden’s watch and tacit approval. Bide… **Babale** takes up the invitation by countering a claim about mass graves. He also says this constitutes a hijack and reports his and **Banquet\_Bear** ’s posts. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/2): > > …can we not do this? This is [debunked misinformation.](https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) I wasn’t going to participate in this thread, but repeating debunked misinformation is just too far. I reported the misinformation with a cite and will not be returning to this thread so as not to hijack it, so please do not reply to this post with further hijacks of the topic. **Banquet\_Bear** addresses **Babale** ’s counter. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/3): > > …no it is not. Geolocation isn’t credible. There were IDF massacres at the hospitals. Multiple witnesses. Physical evidence. And the cuffed bodies speak for themselves. **Babale** writes a short response and againpoints out he is reporting the posts as a hijack. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/4): > > The beautiful thing about GeoConfirmed is that they give you all the evidence you need to come to your own conclusion. But I’m not getting into a hijack argument with you here. Reporting all involved posts again. **Banquet\_Bear** tries to get the last word in and steer the hijack back with a variation of his original position: Biden has lost the pro-Palestinian vote. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/5): > > …the not-beautiful thing about the video and the photos and the testimony is that we can’t ignore that. And to bring it back on topic: its these photos and these videos and this testimony that pro-Palestine voters have been seeing and listening to for the last six months. And those voters are never, ever going to be voting for Biden. He’s lost their votes. If you want Biden to win the next election, you’ve got to figure out another way. I believe this is when the above posts were split into another thread. **Babale** gets in another last word. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/6): > > …Just like the photos and videos from years ago that show these alleged IDF graves being dug. Cannot ignore that either. **Aspenglow** mod notes the hijack and says to keep discussion in the original thread on topic. > [@Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/35): > > Moderating: This is a formal warning for disregarding moderator instructions. Your answer is a non-answer and offers nothing in the way of a suggestion for how to vote strategically for the OP. You are also banned from further posting in this thread as you appear to have no constructive advice to offer in it. > This thread is for the narrow discussion about how best to use your vote if you are pro-Palestine and not pleased with how you perceive President Biden is handling the situation on behalf of the USA. **Banquet\_Bear** makes another off-topic post. > [@Hijacking posts for voting strategy thread, Gaza stuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hijacking-posts-for-voting-strategy-thread-gaza-stuff/1000769/7): > > …my strategic answer to the OP is that Biden has lost the pro-Palestine vote. You aren’t going to get them. The scale of the atrocities is too big. And Biden and his administration is not going to change course. Focus on other issues. Pretend Gaza isn’t happening. Gaslight. That’s the strategy the administration have adopted so far. Just lean into it. Because I’ll say it again, he isn’t getting the pro-Palestine vote. **Aspenglow** warns **Banquet\_Bear** for failure to heed moderator instructions and moves his post to the hijack thread. > [@Are there any "good" options for pro-Palestine voters (as opposed to "choose between bad vs. worse")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-there-any-good-options-for-pro-palestine-voters-as-opposed-to-choose-between-bad-vs-worse/1000714/35): > > Moderating: This is a formal warning for disregarding moderator instructions. Your answer is a non-answer and offers nothing in the way of a suggestion for how to vote strategically for the OP. You are also banned from further posting in this thread as you appear to have no constructive advice to offer in it. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-moderation-in-the-biden-pro-palestine-thread/1000773/13 "2024-04-26T19:37:22Z")
And I was ready to give warnings out to both BB and Babale and they’re both lucky that @Aspenglow got to it first. It is one of the worst hijacks I’ve seen.