Question about "Ode to Billy Joe"

Am I the only person who thinks the movie version of Ode to Billy Joe (1976) has been overlooked and underrated? Glynnis O’Connor gives a Spacek-quality performance as the child who grows into a woman through the tragedy she lives through.

As for the film’s treatment of homosexuality, the question should really be, how would a typical young man in the rural deep South of the early 1950s feel about his drunken, furtive homosexual experience? The narrow-mindeded world in which Billy Joe lives is the tragedy of the movie, not the homosexuality.

The final touching scene between Bobbie Lee and Dewey Barksdale on the bridge tells as much in what isn’t said as what is: they are beyond blame, scars have healed over their pain, but both know that each in their own way is an outcast from the world they came from.

Good point. Thanks, Walloon. You know, oddly enough, I really liked the aspect of girlchild-growing-into-womanhood in “Ode to Billie Joe” and thought they did a great job with it. Her character is remarkable: a backwoods kid with no preparation or support whatsoever, she handles a supremely difficult situation with sensitivity and maturity. She’s a fully-realized character in a time of cinema that showed us women as jiggly, brainless cheerleaders.

The problem I have with making Billie Joe’s night of passion with a man (Dewey Barksdale! That was his name! Thank you! It was driving me nuts trying to pull that out of the ol’ brainpan) the McGuffin was that it was not balanced anywhere in contemporary cinema by a depiction of homosexuality as anything other than a force capable of causing the utter destruction of Western civilization. From the structure of the movie, it’s evident that a gay relationship, no matter the circumstances, was absolutely the highest possible tragedy the producers could conceive of, and that they put a lot of brickwork around their sensitive, tormented hero to make it apparent that it Really Wasn’t His Fault, lest we be inclined to lose sympathy with the heroine’s boyfriend and dilute the tragedy.

Gay themes were few and far between in 70s cinema (believe it or not, they’re not much more common now), and gays never showed up as the good guys. Although the Hays Code was already long out the window by the mid-70s, the one part to which Hollywood clung with tenacity was the clause that homosexuality was not in any way to be presented in a positive light. (Indeed, the same sort of thing has happened in the modern day with the book of Leviticus.) Had it not been for Hollywood’s unfortunate timing in releasing the horrifically gay-bashing"Windows" and “Cruising” at the same time (roughly), I think gay viewers might well have been inclined to let this one go: as you point out, it’s handled with tact, intelligence, and a sense of mature wistfulness all too seldom captured successfully on film.

Of course, any gay viewer who expects to be taken seriously in popular entertainment is setting her- or himself up for disappointment; it was true then and it’s just as true now. A recently-produced amateur video compliation featuring all the famous movie and TV kisses between women from the 30s to the present (“The Haunting”, “Queen Christina”, “DS9”, and some others) occupied all of three minutes of screen time, with some duplications. (The makers of the compilation did not turn to the world of porn, which would have offered a lot more in the way of footage, but somehow the producer appeared reluctant to rely on porn’s impoverished conception of lesbianism.) Three minutes of screen time would get you through the kissing scenes in an average day’s worth of soap operas broadcast in this country; it goes without saying that all the couples you’ll see will be straight.

It’s interesting that you pick up on a common claim made about entertainment about, but not by, gays: “The movie isn’t really about homosexuality, it’s about prejudice.” Or brutality, or murder, or manipulative behavior, or bigotry, or or or–anything but the scarlet letter. That this doesn’t fly well with the community being slanged as deranged, destructive, unbalanced, or evil, in the absence of counterbalancing positive portrayals, isn’t a huge surprise.

Early in his career, an interviewer asked Sidney Poitier how come he always played these shining, noble (usually celibate) heroes. His answer was a window into the depiction of minority in popular entertainment: “I’m the only one,” he said. “I’m the only Negro actor who works with any degree of regularity.” (His use of the term “Negro” should slot this comment nicely into the timeline, by the way.) “Wait until there are six of us,” he went on, “and then one of us can play the bad guy all the time.”

A thru L:

Candice Bergen, The Adventurers (1970)
Leigh J. McCloskey Alexander: The Other Side of Dawn (TV, 1977)
Martin Balsam, The Anderson Tapes (1971)
Paul Rudd, Clifford David, The Betsy (1978)
Erica Gavin, Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970)
Pam Grier, The Big Doll House (1971)
Teresa Graves, Rosemary Forsyth Black Eye (1974)
Nora Heflin, Born Innocent (TV, 1974)
Entire cast, The Boys in the Band (1970)
Antonio Fargas, Busting (1974)
Michael York, Helmut Griem Cabaret (1972)
Lani O’Grady, Cage Without a Key (TV, 1975)
Barbara Steele, Caged Heat (1974)
Michael Caine, California Suite (1978)
Antonio Fargas, Car Wash (1976)
Michael Willis, The Choirboys (1977)
Shelley Winters, Cleopatra Jones (1973)
Stella Stevens, Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold (1975)
Coonskin (1975)
Floyd Mutrux, Cover Me Babe (1970)
Leigh J. McCloskey, Dawn: Portrait of a Teenage Runaway (TV, 1976)
Perry King, Meg Foster, A Different Story (1978)
Rachel Roberts, Doctors’ Wives (1971)
Al Pacino, Chris Sarandon, Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
Paula Kelly, Isela Vega, Drum (1976)
Jack Cassidy, The Eiger Sanction (1975)
Toni Basil, Helena Kallianiotes, Five Easy Pieces (1970)
Entire cast, Fortune and Men’s Eyes (1971)
Christopher Morley, Freebie and the Bean (1974)
Roddy McDowall, Funny Lady (1975)
Roger Furman, Georgia, Georgia (1972)
Amy Wright, Girlfriends (1978)
Vic Morrow, The Glass House (TV, 1972)
Roger Garrett, The Grasshopper (1970)
Richard Carballo, Guess What We Learned in School Today? (1970)
Harold Childe, Andrea Feldman, Bonnie Walder, Heat (1972)
Ricky Ely, James Luisi, I Escaped From Devil’s Island (1973)
Melina Mercouri, Alexis Smith, Jacqueline Susann’s Once Is Not Enough (1975)
Stephen McHattie, James Dean (TV, 1976)
George Sanders, The Kremlin Letter (1970)
Richard Benjamin, James Coburn, The Last of Sheila (1973)
Joanna Cassidy, Albert Paulsen, The Laughing Policeman (1973)
Valerie Perine, Lenny (1974)
Robin Little Star, Little Big Man (1970)
William Atherton, Richard Bright, Looking for Mr. Goodbar (1977)

An impressive list! Now let’s find one that treated gay characters with decency, respect, and a sense of joy. Oh, and made them into heroes. Non-celibate ones, possibly. And that allowed them to live until the end of the movie. And didn’t use them as tossoffs, inserted for purposes of a joke.

In “Cabaret”, Michael York doesn’t get the boy, who’s much more interested in Liza Minnelli anyway. In “Born Innocent”, a bunch of bodybuilders have at Linda Blair with a broomstick in the shower of a women’s prison. In “A Different Story”, the principals are a gay man and woman who fall in love with each other (not surprising, when you see her girlfriend, a certifiable hysteric). Antonio Fargas delivers an immortal line in “Car Wash”: “Honey, I’m more man than you’ll ever be, and more woman than you’ll ever get!” (He still goes home alone.) “Boys in the Band” is an apologetic miseryfest in which the gay guys keep trying to get the straight guy who’s having marital troubles to admit that he’s gay; in stalwart movie-hero fashion, he resists. The two women in “Five Easy Pieces” have a relationship delineated in hinting; one is silent and the other fond of polemic about how screwed up American society is. The gay character in “Girlfriends” is in there just so Melanie Mayron’s character can make the point that she’s not in love with the other female lead, lest anyone think women’s friendships are tainted by carnality. The berdache in “Little Big Man” is one of the few respectful portrayals I can think of, but his lover still tells Dustin Hoffman, “Now let me introduce you to my real wife.”

This kind of horsing around really resonates badly with people who never had their own “Cinderella”, “Gone With the Wind”, “Casablanca”, or “Sleepless in Seattle”. Even in the more enlightened society of the turn of the century, sweet, simple gay romances are rare and noteworthy. (I’m trying to think of one right now, but am coming up blank.) Legend has it in Hollywood that two lesbian actors tried to bring a lovely little romance to the screen, a classic novel called “Patience and Sarah” (which was published in the early 1970s and has been in various stages of preproduction ever since) and were told by the suits that there was no way they could get the support to make it. Instead, they proposed, and got funding for, a movie about a vicious sexual assault. So… let’s see… two women kissing is too radical and upsetting for a mainstream audience, but brutal rape isn’t? What are these people thinking? And what with?

Honest, I didn’t mean to hijack the thread.

If you’re looking for sweet simple portrayals of same-sex romances in film, you need to avoid Hollywood and go to the independents. Some of my current favorites are: Trick; It’s In the Water; All Over the Guy; Kissing Jessica Stein and so on. There are others which I’m sure a quick visit to tlavideo.com will bring back to mind. Of course there was the grand-daddy of them all, Making Love, which went a long way toward killing the genre. It did great business on the opening weekend then tanked. The suits decided it was because gay themes couldn’t carry a film and that mainstream America wasn’t ready for it. Personally I agree with the late Vito Russo that the reason people stayed away in droves was not that the film was controversial but because it was crap.

Thanks, Otto. I heard “Trick” was really good. I’ve been meaning to rent that and “Chutney Popcorn”.

For some inexplicable reason, “Claire of the Moon” is developing quite the little following. My mother-in-law has a saying that probably applies in this instance: “All your taste is in your mouth.”

The film version of Ode to Billy Joe is chiefly notable for presenting us with the worst fake Southern accent in cinematic history (by Robbie Benson). (Why am I not surprised that Max Baer, Jr. was involved?)

As for the song, I always figured the kids were throwing an (illegally) aborted fetus (or possibly a miscarried fetus) into the river. But as with all answers to the OP’s question, it’s just a guess.

(Abortion made more sense to me, as a potential source of guilt which might have led Billy Joe to jump.)

Walloon, I notice one mistake in your list. In the movie Looking for Mr. Goodbar, the gay character was played by Tom Berenger, not William Atherton. Did you copy this list from some website? I haven’t seen even half of those films, but I think that in many cases the homosexuality was implied (and only vaguely implied) for those characters.

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Walloon I was going to mention Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. I am sure the final “gay-related” scene was bizarre at the time, but it looked sooooooo much more bizarre when I first saw it on late night tv around 1995. Let me count the ways in which this scene didnt age well:

The actor who played the “top” would look much less selff-conscious if he acted today, since he wouldnt care as much about perception. The scene wouldnt be built up so much, since there isnt as much of a stigma anymore.

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Anyway, I was gonna say something about Billy Joe, oh yeah: I never saw the movie, but I think its believeable that even IF the incident was consentual, it could leave some damage. Back then of course, people had a much greater stigma about it, and what’s more, since the character didnt relate to being that as his self-image, that could cause psychological trauma as well.

But even further than that, I think in general, our bodies are wired to become depressed/damaged when we engage in relations or lust for those we are not equipped psychologically to form a pair-relationship with. I think it’s an evolved mechanism, since if our “lust” grows great enough we will do something to blow it off, but then if they arent our “pair-relationship type”, i.e. we arent capable of falling in love with them, our mind will tell us it’s “wrong” by causing angst. This goes for whatever orientation one has, and to differing degrees depending on how far from the ideal the other party strays (i.e. gender, age, looks, personality, etc.)

Posted by Walloon “Toni Basil, Helena Kallianiotes, Five Easy Pieces (1970)”

Really? I like this movie, and have seen it three or four times. (But not recently) I never noticed any “gay theme” in it. Maybe I’m just dumb about that, or wasn’t looking for it.

I guess I have to have it spelled out for me, like in the recent SongCatcher, before I recognize what’s going on? :confused:

Comments from an even older fossil…

I was a small town DJ when the song came out and remember the impact well. The word “sultry” might as well have been coined with Ms. Gentry in mind, and the sound of the song and her voice conveyed the tone of a “sleepy, dusty Delta day” beautifully.

IIRC, the song was originally intended as the “B” side, but got more play than the intended “A” side. It was huge on both the country and pop charts and deservedly so.

Later, Ms. Gentry teamed up with Glen Campbell for some duets that did well, and another story song of her own, “Fancy,” was revived with a nice cover a few years back by Reba McIntire. (Great video, too.)

And a tip of the hat to McJohn for some of the clearest, most cogent commentary I’ve seen in quite a while. I’m not surprised he hangs out with a literary bunch - it shows.

John Carter of Mars,

If you’ll recall, Nicholson’s character picks up two female hitchhikers. Apparently we’re supposed to realize that they’re lesbian lovers, although that’s never stated. (In fact, I missed that when I saw the film.) One of them is played by Helena Kallianiotes. She’s the mouthy one who’s always complaining. Why isn’t Kallianiotes getting film roles anymore? She was great in a small part. Apparently the other one was played by Tony Basil. (At least, that’s the only name in the credits that I can match up with that role.) That’s the same Tony Basil who played one of the two prostitutes in Easy Rider and who had a hit with the song “Mickey” (which had one of the first interesting MTV videos - the one where she played a cheerleader).

Toni (best known for her 1982 pop hit “Mickey”) and Helena played the two hitchhikers whom Jack Nicholson and Karen Black picked up. It was never explicitly stated that the two women were partners, but the implication seems clear. They were still with Jack and Karen during the famous scene at the diner where Jack tries to order toast.

I remember the two hitch-hikers well. I just didn’t “get” the gay part of it. Great movie, anyway!

speaking of gay hitchikers, how bout “vanishing Point”?

He threw her doll off the bridge

They never had sex

Well, I’m glad we finally got *that *cleared up.

Maybe they threw a zombie off the bridge?

That noted, I will observe, as I usually do in threads about this song, that jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge is highly unlikely to result in a fatality. Sprained ankle, maybe a broken leg…but the bridge simply isn’t very high, and the bottom is soft mud.