# Question about Star Trek canon after the latest movie \[\[edited title; spoilers inside\]\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 28, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815 "2010-06-28T18:00:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/21 "2010-07-01T00:13:20Z")
> [@toadspittle](#): > > An alternate timeline IS a new universe. A la the [Many Worlds Theory](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation). That’s sort of like claiming that each tine on a fork is a new fork. Anyway the point of my post was that it’s not really a separate canon given that it’s a direct continuation of established canon. In other words, time travel stories cant be considered quite the same thing as a true reboot. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/22 "2010-07-01T00:36:11Z")
> [@bafaa](#): > > Have any new books been written in the original timeline since the movie came out? Are they still going full steam ahead ignoring the new timeline? Or has all that been put on hold? > What about books in the new timeline? > **[List of Star Trek novels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_novels)** > > The Star Trek franchise's first tie-in publications were James Blish's 1967 volume of episode novelizations and Mack Reynolds's 1968 young adult novel Mission to Horatius. Since 1968, more than 850 original novels, short story collections, episode and film novelizations, and omnibus editions have been published. > Novels based on Star Trek, The Next Generation, Discovery, and Picard are currently in print. As recently as 2020, novels based on Deep Space Nine, Enterprise, and Voyager were publi... Every TV series (and some spin-offs, like Titan and New Frontier) has had a book published in 2009, with other books due either this year or next. Star Trek novels are experiencing something of a renaissance, and have been for years. They’re heavily serialized with their own post-series continuity. When I stopped reading six or seven years ago, the Deep Space Nine series, in particular, was pretty epic. There are no books listed for the Abramsverse. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/23 "2010-07-04T00:40:29Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Except, of course ,all the times when they screwed that up, too, and did just the opposite. Trek Time travel has the Rules of Plot and nothing more. What was it Chief O’Brien said? “Temporal mechanics give me a headache!” or something to that effect. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/24 "2010-07-04T05:05:27Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > What was it Chief O’Brien said? “Temporal mechanics give me a headache!” or something to that effect. 😃 Captain Janeway! ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/25 "2010-07-04T09:39:41Z")
So I wonder if Nimoy-Spock gave the Federation a full debriefing on what he knows is out there… “So if you run across a 20th century ship called _Botney Bay_, just torpedo that shit. Trust me on that one. Oh, and then there’s this Guardian thing that’s like a portal to the past. But don’t go there or Harlan Ellison will sue your ass.” I wonder if Talos IV has been discovered in the JJ-verse. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/26 "2010-07-04T19:46:45Z")
I doubt Spock Prime tells them anything. He wants Kirk and Nu-Spock to work things out on their own, it’s their “destiny.” I still see the Enterprise E going back to fix this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/27 "2010-07-04T20:45:09Z")
“Oh shit. I just remembered. I _died_ for those fucking whales, and all of that has been undone. shitshitshitshitshit. Oh well, I guess there’s still time to ensure that Katheryn Janeway is never born.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/28 "2010-07-04T21:28:29Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Oh well, I guess there’s still time to ensure that Katheryn Janeway is never born." It is said by some that those who dislike Janeway have issues with their female parents. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/29 "2010-07-04T21:42:31Z")
So do people who have issues with male characters have issues with their male parents? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/30 "2010-07-04T22:07:16Z")
He didn’t die for the whales, he died by Genesis for the good of the many. It was his resurrection which saved them. Spock H. Christ. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/31 "2010-07-04T22:31:33Z")
Yeah, ok, I was wrong. I’m not a die hard fan. So back to **HtH** ’s “If you see a ship named _Botany Bay_, blow it up and be done with it. That fucker already killed me once.” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/32 "2010-07-04T22:39:06Z")
You don’t get off that easy. You have to watch ST:V with a religious fundamentalist and a rabid whig. And, you have drink tranya and eat orange jello whilst so involved. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/33 "2010-07-05T00:50:31Z")
Yes, they should definitely be pumping future-Spock for all the information they can. The technology alone would be of great benefit to the Federation. I’d accept if they said that he refused to talk, but it would annoy me to no end if in the next movie he’s living out a quiet solitary life in the Vulcan colony. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/34 "2010-07-05T01:07:34Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > You don’t get off that easy. You have to watch ST:V with a religious fundamentalist and a rabid whig. And, you have drink tranya and eat orange jello whilst so involved. Wow. You got me. I was going to say that I didn’t know where I’d find a member of an extinct political party until I googled it and found [this](http://www.modernwhig.org/). But your comment also leads to the other thing I almost posted previously. Old Spock needs to say “Remember one thing: God does not need a space ship”. Although I think that whole story line would be impossible because Sybok has to be dead. Well, that and it would be about 25-30 years in the future of the reboot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/35 "2010-07-05T15:05:30Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So do people who have issues with male characters have issues with their male parents? Not as far as I know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/36 "2010-07-05T15:28:46Z")
But… life is NOT a dream … How will playing cards help? One damn minute, Admiral. Your name … … … is Jim. Ah. The Giants. … remember … I am endeavoring, ma’am, to construct a mnemonic circuit using stone knives and bearskins. They are not the hell your whales. Logic is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad. If I were human, I believe my response would be: ‘go to hell’. If I were human. Are you sure it isn’t time for a “colourful metaphor”? Just look at all those wonderful quotes, now lost in time, like tears in rain. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/37 "2010-07-06T21:12:30Z")
> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#): > > “Oh, and then there’s this Guardian thing that’s like a portal to the past. But don’t go there or Harlan Ellison will sue your ass.” :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/38 "2010-07-06T23:02:36Z")
To me the new movie isn’t canon simply because it’s too utterly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/39 "2010-07-07T00:55:10Z")
Unlike Star Trek V or the space hippies. The new movie has a lot of dumb, but it is nevertheless a joy. Unlike Star Trek V. Or the space hippies. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815/40 "2010-07-07T02:32:51Z")
We’ll have to disagree on what is joyful, then. I found the movie actually offensive on several levels. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-star-trek-canon-after-the-latest-movie-edited-title-spoilers-inside/544815.md?page=3)