# Question about Temporary\_Name suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787 "2022-09-02T03:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/1 "2022-09-02T03:51:54Z")
[https://boards.straightdope.com/t/temporary-name-has-been-suspended-for-7-days-for-arguing-about-moderation-outside-of-atmb-and-attacking-a-moderator/970756/2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/temporary-name-has-been-suspended-for-7-days-for-arguing-about-moderation-outside-of-atmb-and-attacking-a-moderator/970756/2) Suspension for 1. arguing about moderation 2. attacking a moderator I don’t see either of these. @Aspenglow was posting as a regular member. She stated her opinion in a thread about Trump. It was not a moderator action. Disagreeing with it is not “arguing about moderation” And as for “attacking a moderator” I don’t see it. He complained about @Aspenglow attacking him. And, again, she wasn’t posting as a moderator. What gives? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/2 "2022-09-02T03:54:24Z")
Did you not see the warning What\_Exit gave them in the linked thread? And the poster arguing with What\_Exit about it? Eta: the linked thread, not the quoted thread. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/3 "2022-09-02T04:07:00Z")
In the thread the warning issued from, they said accused another poster of being willfully obtuse or a troll. That’s a pretty direct insult for PE. I _could_ see under some circumstances with giving a note instead of a warning, but TN was seriously worked up in that thread (for reasons I sadly understand don’t get me wrong) and probably needed a timeout. Since he quoted the warning from W\_E and then tried to argue it in the same thread, that was absolutely warning territory. Technically that could have been two warnings right there in one thread, for two different issues. I think the suspension is, if anything, a hope that T\_N can calm down and salvage themselves as a poster. ETA - again, I understand T\_N’s _sentiment_, it is an intensely frustrating time to live in, and emotions are running high, but all the more reason to step away from a while. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/4 "2022-09-02T04:10:45Z")
I agree that the three descriptions are for three different posts. One post involved insulting others. One post involved insulting others in P&E. One post involved arguing with moderation outside of ATMB. And the most recent post was again an attack on a poster (who happens to be a moderator). That said, I still disagree that arguing with a moderator outside of ATMB is a serious offense. It is an extremely common thing that many posters have done, and nearly always only gets a mod note. The only exceptions I can think of involve the poster attacking the mod. I agree that Temporary\_Name deserved to be modded in the most recent thread (as they were getting too heated), and I agree with the first insult. But two (or possibly 3) bad posts in 2 years isn’t generally grounds for a suspension. I think that merely banned from the (recent) thread would have been sufficient for telling them to cool down That is, unless there is further history that was not mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/5 "2022-09-02T04:11:06Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Did you not see the warning What\_Exit gave them in the linked thread? Yes I did, but I don’t see the reason for it. > [@steronz](#): > > And the poster arguing with What\_Exit about it? No, I can’t see that. Where is it? As far as I can see, Temporary\_name did not post again after @What_Exit’s moderation. Are you talking about [the other thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-invoke-the-25th-amendment/925658/60) that WE linked to? Because that was nearly two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/6 "2022-09-02T04:12:12Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/7 "2022-09-02T04:14:50Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > In the thread the warning issued from, they said accused another poster of being willfully obtuse or a troll. Are you referring to [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-invoke-the-25th-amendment/925658/49)? That was different thread two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/8 "2022-09-02T04:16:53Z")
You are correct, and I am wrong. I was following the links in the suspension, and not looking at the dates. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/9 "2022-09-02T04:17:58Z")
Yes, in the recent thread I too am just seeing what @Peter_Morris has described in the OP here, and I too am puzzled by @What_Exit 's harsh reaction. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/10 "2022-09-02T04:25:23Z")
I also did not look at the dates, and also issue a mea culpa. Apologies, and I think your thread here has merit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/11 "2022-09-02T04:27:38Z")
The whole sequence is bizarre. Unless there were private messages somewhere exchanged I’m not seeing what the warning and suspension were about. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/12 "2022-09-02T07:56:35Z")
I agree, I was arguing with TN but I never saw them say anything worthy of suspension or a thread ban. The whole situation in that thread was bizarre. > [@octopus](#): > > Unless there were private messages somewhere exchanged I’m not seeing what the warning and suspension were about. This seems possible but I would hope that this would have been made clear in the announcement. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/13 "2022-09-02T03:44:29Z")
The thread in question: > [@If Trump is Charged and Arrested, and He Calls for Insurrection, What Do You Think Will Happen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-is-charged-and-arrested-and-he-calls-for-insurrection-what-do-you-think-will-happen/970577/110): > > It’s magical thinking on a ridiculous scale to believe otherwise I find this comment inappropriate and offensive. Law enforcement, including on the federal level, warn people all the time that they are being looked at for crimes. Also, your statement is not factually true, Merrick Garland held a press conference a couple of weeks ago and an affidavit has been released in redacted form, so the norms you may have been used to are no longer standard operating procedure. Also, the Secret Servi… First, @Aspenglow was posting as a poster, not a moderator. Second, @Aspenglow’s comment about “magical thinking on a ridiculous scale” is arguably (and I didn’t have to argue very hard with myself) insulting to @Temporary_Name. That sort of comment seems to me very much like other such comments by ordinary posters that have been called insults. Third, saying “I find the comment inappropriate and offensive” and “I do not think that such an insulting comment should be made, especially by someone in a position of authority” do not seem to me to be attacking the poster any more than @Aspenglow 's original comment. If one is worthy of censure, so is the other, moderator status notwithstanding. Perhaps I have fixed on the wrong comments by @Temporary_Name; if so, please point me to the correct ones. I am asking for an explanation that is understandable to a reasonably intelligent (if I say so myself) poster with some experience on this board. That is why I have asked to be walked through it, because I truly do not understand it, and as it stands now it seems to me misguided and inappropriate. I hold no particular brief for @Temporary_Name as a poster, and I disagree with his position in that thread, but those are not the issues here. I’m looking for basic fairness and equal treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/14 "2022-09-02T12:09:36Z")
I, too, would like to be directed to where @Temporary_Name: - Argued about moderation - Attacked a moderator I am not seeing it. mmm ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/15 "2022-09-02T13:49:49Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > And as for “attacking a moderator” I don’t see it. He complained about @Aspenglow attacking him. And, again, she wasn’t posting as a moderator. > > What gives? > [@If Trump is Charged and Arrested, and He Calls for Insurrection, What Do You Think Will Happen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-is-charged-and-arrested-and-he-calls-for-insurrection-what-do-you-think-will-happen/970577/110): > > But that really doesn’t matter to me. I do not think that such an insulting comment should be made, especially by someone in a position of authority. To answer one question: This is the line that **we** considered harassing a moderator. That is specified in the original warning. In writing the suspension notice, we have a good example of what happens when such are done by committee and it drags out for a bit with life happening in between. I failed as an editor to keep to the warning straight. Finally, I’m trying to find out how much I can talk about it, but there were major extenuating circumstances of PMs to moderators that drove this up to the one week suspension. Hopefully I can share more later today. * * * We’ve let a few fairly recent posts of theirs go with a Modnote, here is the one I recall: {please hit the down arrow to expand} > [@Ukraine and Russia with Trump Still at the Helm](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ukraine-and-russia-with-trump-still-at-the-helm/959718/140): > > Modnote: This was borderline warning territory. You attacked and insulted Wrenching\_Spanners. Do not do this again. Attacking the content of the post is allowed and even encouraged. Attacking the poster anywhere outside the pit is not allowed. * * * So apologies for screwing up the Suspension notice. That is on me. It is now corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/16 "2022-09-02T14:00:38Z")
> [@If Trump is Charged and Arrested, and He Calls for Insurrection, What Do You Think Will Happen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-is-charged-and-arrested-and-he-calls-for-insurrection-what-do-you-think-will-happen/970577/110): > > > [@If Trump is Charged and Arrested, and He Calls for Insurrection, What Do You Think Will Happen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-is-charged-and-arrested-and-he-calls-for-insurrection-what-do-you-think-will-happen/970577/110): > > > > But that really doesn’t matter to me. I do not think that such an insulting comment should be made, especially by someone in a position of authority. > > To answer one question: This is the line that **we** considered harassing a moderator. Oh, so it’s okay for @aspenglow to insult him, and if he objects, that’s harassment? I don’t see it. Also this: > [@Temporary\_Name has been suspended for 7 days for arguing about moderation outside of ATMB and attacking a moderator](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/temporary-name-has-been-suspended-for-7-days-for-arguing-about-moderation-outside-of-atmb-and-attacking-a-moderator/970756/1): > > ~~Arguing over moderation~~ Harassing a moderator in a thread anywhere but ATMB is a serious offense. So we have your ruling that it IS acceptable to harass a moderator in ATMB? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/17 "2022-09-02T14:11:46Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Oh, so it’s okay for @aspenglow to insult him, and if he objects, that’s harassment? It’s not that he objected, but that he did so by attacking **aspenglow** ’s status as a moderator to do so. For better or worse, that’s explicitly not allowed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/18 "2022-09-02T14:14:54Z")
With additional history and (presumably abusive or insulting) PMs we didn’t see, I can better understand this moderation decision. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/19 "2022-09-02T14:16:27Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > So we have your ruling that it IS acceptable to harass a moderator in ATMB? No, but more leeway is given in the ATMB from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787/20 "2022-09-02T14:24:32Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > So we have your ruling that it IS acceptable to harass a moderator in ATMB? I don’t know why you would assume that we would make a major change to a long standing rule based on how one particular sentence was worded. But, if common sense isn’t enough in this case, let me clarify. You may not harass or attack the staff in any way. This includes insults. This applies to all forums (with some special consideration for the Pit). You may not Pit moderators for anything they do as a moderator. You may however Pit moderators for anything they post as a regular user. This has been the rule for many years and has not changed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-temporary-name-suspension/970787.md?page=2)