Question for college professors: What should a conservative do?

Thank you - this is something I do give a lot of thought.

No, I’m sorry, it’s absolutely a bad thing. Why? Because it’s propaganda. I’m not saying this lightly, mind you - it’s literally a well-known propaganda tactic. I know it best as the “chinese robber fallacy”, but given a large enough sample size, it is piss-easy to make any group look awful if you strip the context. You can do it to literally anyone - in fact the article opens with the example of cardiologists, and very aptly demonstrates how easy it is.

If you spend all day long searching for things that are bad or things that conservatives find disagreeable in academia, even if all you find is a few examples per day (the website only publishes a few articles per day), it’s easy to blow this up into what looks like a maelstrom of liberal bias everywhere in the country… Even if there are absolutely a similar number of things liberals find disagreeable in academia, you won’t hear about them, so it’ll sound like it’s only awful for conservatives. Even if most of these issues are overblown nonsense, and you’d expect a certain amount of things that piss conservatives off just as a baseline given that there are 5,300 colleges in the US and some 16 million college students.

You are not immune to propaganda, and this kind of narrative-building is not harmless. I mean, for crying out loud, you started this thread wondering about hypothetical abuse conservative students suffered at college. Numerous people within various colleges pointed out that that kind of discrimination is exceedingly unlikely, and I even offered a study that showed the same. So where did that pernicious, false idea about conservatives being the targets of discrimination on campus come from? Think on that one for a moment, and see if you can’t spot the serious cognitive dissonance here. You’re insisting that this form of propaganda is harmless… while very obviously being a victim of exactly this form of propaganda!

One more thing on this. Lots of people don’t read the alternate views. In fact, the right-wing media sphere explicitly tries to dissuade people from looking at alternative views, constantly slagging off any mainstream outlet as “liberal propaganda”, to the point where even trustworthy sites like Snopes aren’t accepted by many on the right. What do you reckon the odds are that the average Campus Review reader has seen that PSMag article I linked above? Or the Vox articles? Or this excellent Guardian article on political correctness? Or is it more likely that most of them get most of their news from other sites who are ideologically aligned with Campus Reform, and which get much of their funding from the same places?

(Actually, since the website uses Disqus comments, you can sorta check this. Look into some of the commentors, click on their names, and it’ll show you their Disqus profiles, as well as their five most-visited sites. I clicked through some five, and the most common sites I saw were “Daily Caller”, “Breitbart”, and “Gateway Pundit”, all of which are hard-right propaganda pages with long records of lies and mistruths.)

I actually didn’t say anything about liberal newspaper columnists bringing attention to liberal campus bias. In fact, any liberal newspaper columnist who goes out of their way to bring more attention to this psyop is doing their readers a disservice, because it is already completely overblown at every conceivable level (cough Johnathan Chait :mad: cough).

But the complaint that it’s not done “on the front page” is both unproven and nonsensical. Look at the recent output of Campus Reform. Which of those articles do you think is front page news? And what would you bump from, say, today’s edition of the new york times to make room for it? Maybe we could push that article about Biden being unclear why he’s running for president off to make room for a piece about how a university is counseling its students to be careful about fake news on an important scientific issue. Maybe we could shift the scuba trip fire that killed 20 to page A3 to talk about how GWU is changing its mascot. :rolleyes: And today isn’t exactly a huge news day, either.

Most of what Campus Reform publishes is vacuous crap, barely even relevant enough to make the local news. It doesn’t belong on the front page, any more than my personal grievances of the trains being late belong on the front page of the Süddeutsche Zeitung. But when you’re a propaganda outlet that exists to make universities look bad and biased, that’s most of what you’ll end up with - vacuous bullshit.

And perhaps while they’re pretending to be something they’re not in order to avoid negative reactions from the majority they’ll learn some empathy for homosexuals along the way.

IANA college professor but my wife and several of my friends are. They have been actively discussing one of the most recent example of a college professor attempting to impose his political views on his students is this guy, who played a QAnon video to his English class.

The general consensus isn’t “He’s wrong because he’s conservative” but rather “He’s wrong because he’s a fucking loon.” As they are professional fact-gatherers, I consider there to be some merit to their view.

Well, #1: Huffington Post is a left wing opinion site, so it is kind of embarrassing that you would use them as a source. That would be like me linking to National Review to convince you of something.
#2: Their “proof” seems to be that some people who are critical of immigration and Islam have worn MAGA hats and that some left wing people have decided that these criticisms are hateful/racist/etc. . Believe it or not, “Islam” or “illegal immigrant” are not a race or ethnicity, and it is in fact ok to be critical of people’s religious opinions and to criticize people for breaking the law.
BTW, 69% of Muslims immigrants “oppose or strongly oppose” gay marriage.. You’re cool with that, right?

It’s also so weird how you hardly ever see sites like Huffpo expressing concern about the evils of “the far left” when the far left was responsible for millions of death in the 20th century and has in fact been implicated in terrorism as well.

I wonder if there are any significant differences between the Obama administration and the Trump administration.
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Strange that you would pick that issue, when I think that most people would acknowledge that Obama’s immigration policies were, uh, shall we say problematic too. Like, you know, how a bunch of kids ended up being placed with abusers and human traffickers.
It sure seems a lot easier to keep tabs on what’s going on while the kids are being warehoused in a “concentration camp” than scattered around to random homes, so I guess you’re trying to convince me that concentration camps…aren’t that bad after all?

Also, it is actually really easy to avoid getting put in these concentration camps by literally just walking in the opposite direction, so I am not really sure why I should feel sorry for people who chose to come here willingly. If the possibility of ending up detained or deported was unacceptable to them, they didn’t need to come here.

So am I supposed to feel unsafe around anyone who thinks that I don’t have a right to be a squatter in Canada without bothering to go through their process for immigration?

So do you think it’s ok for someone to feel unsafe around anyone wearing a hijab because “Best case scenario, they’re clueless about what they’re supporting. Worst case scenario, it’s a terrorist”?
You do understand that there are left wing extremists too, right? Just because Huffpo doesn’t like to talk about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. A left wing nut LITERALLY attempted to assassinate Republican lawmakers at a baseball practice. There have been numerous instances of Antifa assaulting people. Why shouldn’t I feel unsafe around left wingers after that?

As I have mentioned above, I mostly keep my opinions to myself, so that I can get along with people like you who think everyone who disagrees with them is a monster.

However, on the rare occasions that I have spoken up on political topics, I have had liberals flip out over things such as saying that I do not think that LL Bean should be boycotted just because ONE PERSON on their board did some fundraising for Trump. I’ve had liberals flip out when I point out that “mass shootings” are statistically very rare events. I’ve had liberals get offended by my disagreement with taxpayer funded student loan forgiveness.
Contrary to your implication, it’s not like I am upset that I can’t go around making racial slurs or anything like that. You really don’t get that not everyone who disagrees with you is a monster, do you? It seems like you lack the humility or mental flexibility to imagine a world in which someone could have a valid reason for disagreeing with your cherished belief, rather than disagreeing with you because they are an evil or a stupid person.

I don’t generally make offensive or edgy jokes myself, but as demonstrated by the butthurt we are currently seeing over Dave Chappelle’s most recent comedy special on Netflix, I do think that the left has a very hard time accepting jokes or mockery at their expense. “Political correctness” is not some right wing conspiracy.

I am not concerned with vociferous disagreement so much as I am concerned with things like having the Twitter outrage mob trying to doxx me and get me fired from my job or such things. I don’t generally engage in these conversations because of that.

Man, I wonder why liberals give you shit for your beliefs.

It’s so weird how a news site isn’t reporting on Stalinist and Maoist purges from half a century or more ago? Are there neo-Stalinists marching through the streets of America waving Stalinist flags and demanding pogroms against Jews in the same way that neo-Nazis are?

It’s so weird how, despite left-wing terrorism having peaked in the 1970s and now being largely restricted to a few fringe extremist environmental/animal rights groups and the rare individual loon, news sites are more focused on right-wing terrorism and terrorists which have been considered by the FBI to be the greatest terrorist threat to Americans for decades and who have been responsible for the majority of mass killings in the last 15 years?

Do you understand what “news” is? I mean, I’ll grant that HuffPo is generally shit for a variety of reasons (not the least being their promotion of woo) but nothing is “weird” about news sites reporting on current events.

Well, some current events.

Regards,
Shodan

And to skyr’s point, HuffPo absolutely refused to cover this modern day Stalinist mass murder.
Shit, I just linked to an article of HuffPo covering left wing violence, didn’t I? Well I guess someone owes us a retraction.

I’m sorry you live in such fear.

Wasn’t Andy Ngo caught making shit up? Wasn’t he caught uploading doctored videos of “leftist violence” to push a false narrative? Didn’t he dupe naive right-wingers out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with his lies? Wasn’t he fired from his right-wing employer for his bizarre behavior? Wasn’t he caught on video plotting violence against leftists with his right-wing extremist buddies?

Are you getting your news from Andy Ngo because Jacob Wohl has inexplicitly gone silent but you need the sweet comfort of right-wing lies at nappy time?

Andy Ngo is many things. A right-wing propagandist, a lying shitbag, the natural evolution of James O’Keefe… But anyone calling him a “journalist” owes an apology to anyone who actually does journalism. This article has a pretty good overview. The fact is, Ngo’s history is absolutely chock-full of him blatantly and obviously lying to cover for his allies in neo-nazi gangs like the Proud Boys (his first taste of journalism featured him getting fired from a college paper for lying about what a fellow student said in a blatantly islamophobic way), and anyone taking him seriously needs to read up on him or not be taken seriously themselves.

Also Jacob Wohl’s silence is less “inexplicable” and more “a completely explicable result of having an open felony arrest warrant”. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. :smiley:

Not anymore - the warrant was been rescinded, as he has personally and proudly announced…because he’s turned up to court on his own. The criminal arraignment is still going ahead.

The man’s just like a young Mozart!