# Question for Democrats - Restaurant exclusion sign **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 19, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543 "2017-03-19T14:47:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/61 "2017-03-19T20:50:44Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Is the food any good? > > If it is, I’d go there. The guy sounds funny and I like to support expressions of outrage directed at the farce in Washington. My feelings, too. This isn’t important enough to prompt outrage or lamentation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/62 "2017-03-19T20:51:06Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > So you don’t know what words mean? One of us doesn’t know what it means. You might want to look it up. It’s right next to “gullible”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/63 "2017-03-19T20:57:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Taking the sign down was a smart thing to do, so I wouldn’t call that stupidity. And he’s still a bigot, regardless. Putting the sign up was stupid. Taking it down was smart. The fact that he didn’t vote but decided to complain about who was elected… back to stupid. So mostly “stupid”. Less so “bigot”. _I_ think. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/64 "2017-03-19T21:01:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > He’s only been President for 60 days. What _actual_ harm has befallen the nation so far? So this guy jumps off the top of a tall building, and, as he’s passing the third floor on his way down, he says, “Well, I’m doing fine so far.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/65 "2017-03-19T21:06:02Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Had they not continued to support Trump after he announced he’s in favour of invading countries to steal their resources, had they not cheered when he announced his intention to commit war crimes, I would be more inclined to feel charitable towards them. I came of voting age in troubled economic times, and I live where oil is king and the provincial fortunes rise and fall with the price of oil. The right-wing candidate at the time promised 100 000 jobs, and I believed him, so I can see where these people are coming from. > > But the war crimes are a deal-breaker. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who didn’t reject Trump after he announced his intent to torture prisoners and murder their families is not fit to share my air. > > If that causes pearls to be clutched in the bridge club or PTA, I can live with that. I get this. I do. I feel the same way most of the time. But unless you’re willing to do something about them breathing your air, the rhetoric is not helpful in any way. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/66 "2017-03-19T21:29:13Z")
Living in a different country, I’ve got the air part covered. Living fairly close to the US border, I’ve offered a spare bed to any refugees fleeing your country, same as when all your airplanes were grounded in 2001. Not that I think it’ll come to that for a while, but the offer is there. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/67 "2017-03-19T21:31:42Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Living in a different country, I’ve got the air part covered. Living fairly close to the US border, I’ve offered a spare bed to any refugees fleeing your country, same as when all your airplanes were grounded in 2001. Not that I think it’ll come to that for a while, but the offer is there. Thanks, but I sleep with my own Canadian passport under my pillow, just in case. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/68 "2017-03-19T21:42:35Z")
I would not be likely to eat there if I saw such a sign. I’m into inclusion, not exclusion. I’d be delighted to eat somewhere they said they’d donate a portion of every sale to ACLU or Planned Parenthood, even if it had the effect of driving away some of the same people. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/69 "2017-03-19T21:45:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Is it reasonable to assume that every person who voted for Trump is an evil person? Evil, and/or stupid. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/70 "2017-03-19T21:49:55Z")
Trump supporters are not a protected class, sign is perfectly fine. As a liberal i would be happy if to see the opposite sign as well as i would not want to eat at that place. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/71 "2017-03-19T21:50:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Do we have to serve them if they are gay? How about if they are ordering a cake? > > Regards, > Shodan Yes you do, I assume you are smart enough to understand the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/72 "2017-03-19T21:57:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Taking the sign down was a smart thing to do, so I wouldn’t call that stupidity. And he’s still a bigot, regardless. I’m bigoted against dictators, wannabe dictators, and the people who enable them. And proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/73 "2017-03-19T22:07:21Z")
Here’s the fucking thing: I am working class white. I have the problems that the working class whites do. But, even in my desperation, I did not vote for a fucking evil villain to an 80s movie. I didn’t vote for someone too stupid to understand basic government. I didn’t vote for a bigot. So, no, that bullshit about them being desperate doesn’t mean a thing to me. If they’re desperate, actually fight for their rights, not side with the Devil. If I lived nearby, it’s the taking down of the sign that would make me not patronize his business. He lacks the courage of his convictions. He’s basically said, “There is no line that people can’t cross.” And that’s just WRONG. Morally WRONG. There need to be consequences. People who don’t care about others need to have legal bad things happen to them. I fucking hate that there are known KKK leaders that people continue to do business with. I actually consider my home town complicit in the racism because they don’t deny them. Yes, that means that other businesses might put up a sign that excludes me. So what? They have the right to do that, too, and I have the right to avoid their establishment. I’m tired of pretending both sides are the same. I’m tired of this “would you like it done to you?” line of thinking. No, I wouldn’t, but **that’s why I don’t do evil things**. Since we can’t all agree on a religion that gives morals from above, the only choice is to let society enforce morals. Here’s the thing people miss: if we’d have done what Germany did to the Nazis but to our KKK, we wouldn’t be in this predicament right now. Germany is still holding strong against racism. We decided to make it worse. That’s right–the KKK should have been prosecuted. All symbols should have been stopped. Our great experiment that freedom of speech would lead to better outcomes based on the (illusory) good of humanity FAILED. That kumbaya idealism is WRONG. It doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/74 "2017-03-19T22:49:39Z")
It sounds like the owner has long ago taken the sign down, and Fox news suffering the fallout of the sparks of outrage is maybe belated. In any case, it was an uncool thing to do. If the guy was inviting people to his house for a birthday party and he didn’t want Trump supporters there, more power to him. At his place of business, all are welcome. Seems obvious to me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/75 "2017-03-19T22:52:47Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > It sounds like the owner has long ago taken the sign down, and Fox news suffering the fallout of the sparks of outrage is maybe belated. In any case, it was an uncool thing to do. If the guy was inviting people to his house for a birthday party and he didn’t want Trump supporters there, more power to him. At his place of business, all are welcome. Seems obvious to me. Well, just to keep the thread going, how about [this?](https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/03/19/guy-wearing-trump-hat-sues-bar-for-refusing-to-serve-him/amp/) ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/76 "2017-03-19T23:00:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > At his place of business, all are welcome. Seems obvious to me. Why should moral degenerates be welcome among decent society? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/77 "2017-03-19T23:09:17Z")
Those lacking in morals should most definately be kept from office, which is done via the voting booth. I’m not clicking any more Fox links, so someone who has followed this more closely: Did the sign guy not even bother to vote? Did I hear that right? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/78 "2017-03-19T23:12:17Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You can’t vote for Donald Trump and expect to be treated as if you were a normal decent human being. Maybe we just thought Hillary was an even worse piece of shit? Heck most democrats I know didnt even like her. You had as chance with Bernie Sanders but you blew it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/79 "2017-03-19T23:15:47Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Maybe we just thought Hillary was an even worse piece of shit? Heck most democrats I know didnt even like her. You had as chance with Bernie Sanders but you blew it. That doesn’t make it ok. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/80 "2017-03-19T23:16:08Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Maybe we just thought Hillary was an even worse piece of shit? No one with a functioning moral compass thought that, just like no one with a functioning moral compass finds Nixon to be worse than Pol Pot. The only people who had a problem with Clinton were people who had a problem with the fact that she has a vagina. > [@](#): > > Heck most democrats I know didnt even like her. You had as chance with Bernie Sanders but you blew it. Sanders had zero chance of winning in a general, and would have been utterly incompetent as a President. The only advantage he would have had over Orange Hitler is that he wouldn’t have been evil as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543.md?page=5)