# Question for Democrats - Restaurant exclusion sign **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 19, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543 "2017-03-19T14:47:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/101 "2017-03-20T03:05:06Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > No, it’s not. Even if it wasn’t hatred for everyone who wasn’t a cishet white guy that motivated someone to vote for the second coming of Hitler, the fact that they did vote for him means that they thought that shitting on everyone who wasn’t a cishet white guy was an acceptable means/trade-off/side effect of getting what you want. Which is still nothing more than moral degeneracy. > > If evil people don’t like being told they’re evil, then perhaps they should have some personal responsibility and stop being evil. Ridiculous hyperbole such as this accomplishes so much. Actuallly it’s counterproductive and cringe worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/102 "2017-03-20T03:05:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > How are you “working class”, if you don’t work? :dubious: No. Do not personalize arguments in this fashion. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/103 "2017-03-20T03:06:35Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > If evil people don’t like being told they’re evil, then perhaps they should have some personal responsibility and stop being evil. I thought that, when one side goes low, the other is supposed to go high? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/104 "2017-03-20T03:10:40Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Personally, when surrounded by hostile views, it’s my task to persuade others to my side, to show them our shared interests, to be an ambassador for my causes. I need to be better on the facts, better on message, and better all around as an example. YMMV. This is my big concern. Yeah, I’m appalled by people who voted for Trump. It was a shitty, shitty thing to do. But 2018 is on its way, and you know what? I need those people to act differently in 2018 than they did in 2016. So how I treat them doesn’t need to be based on seeing the good in them, or in respect for our political differences. How I treat them should be based on what’s gonna get them to cast fewer votes for Republicans in 2018. This sort of thing? It’s counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/105 "2017-03-20T03:21:48Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Personally, when surrounded by hostile views, it’s my task to persuade others to my side, to show them our shared interests, to be an ambassador for my causes. I need to be better on the facts, better on message, and better all around as an example. YMMV. And when the people with hostile views are moral degenerates immune to reason? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/106 "2017-03-20T03:24:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is my big concern. Yeah, I’m appalled by people who voted for Trump. It was a shitty, shitty thing to do. > > But 2018 is on its way, and you know what? I need those people to act differently in 2018 than they did in 2016. So how I treat them doesn’t need to be based on seeing the good in them, or in respect for our political differences. How I treat them should be based on what’s gonna get them to cast fewer votes for Republicans in 2018. > > This sort of thing? It’s counterproductive. > [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > And when the people with hostile views are moral degenerates immune to reason? You folks painting a large group of diverse people with such a broad and vitriolic brush need to reconsider your tactics. Which are in many ways hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/107 "2017-03-20T03:25:50Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > People like you keep saying things like this, but I don’t think there’s any proof that calling bigots bigots somehow kept them from voting for Hillary. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Proof has been been presented aplenty. The fact that you don’t accept the proof does not invalidate it. Oh, and “people like me”? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/108 "2017-03-20T03:33:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You folks painting a large group of diverse people with such a broad and vitriolic brush need to reconsider your tactics. Which are in many ways hypocritical. And aren’t you doing EXACTLY the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/109 "2017-03-20T03:44:27Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > And when the people with hostile views are moral degenerates immune to reason? Turn your back on them and focus on those who didn’t vote the last time around because they thought it didn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/110 "2017-03-20T04:07:00Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Question for Democrats. > > [There is a story of a Hawaiian restaurant that put up a sign saying Trump supporters are not allowed to eat there and called Trump supporters Nazis.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/27/cannot-eat-here-hawaii-caf-riles-residents-with-ban-on-trump-voters.html) > > So, would you continue to eat at this restaurant? > > Background: It seems a hand written note was posted at this Hawaiian cafe. Since then they have had both backlash and supporters. The sign has since been taken down after they took a beating in reviews and in the press. > > Now some are saying it’s just a joke from an owner known to be free with his comments and they never really meant it. > > But still, I wouldnt eat at a place that said no Hillary voters. > > How about you all? When that be a factor or would you just write it off as some sort of prank. I don’t think he took “a beating” in the press. In a local TV interview, he said it was all in fun even though like the vast majority of people in Hawaii, he hates Trump. Other than that, Trump supporters ARE Nazis, and I couldn’t care less how they are treated. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/111 "2017-03-20T04:07:46Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > And aren’t you doing EXACTLY the same thing? No. I’m sure there is some difference between a set of two and a set of millions. I can’t quite put my finger on what it is but I’m sure it exists. Wait! I got it! One is very specific and accurate. The other is very broad and inaccurate. One is specific. One is general. So perhaps they aren’t EXACTLY the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/112 "2017-03-20T04:11:44Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I don’t think he took “a beating” in the press. In a local TV interview, he said it was all in fun even though like the vast majority of people in Hawaii, he hates Trump. > > Other than that, Trump supporters ARE Nazis, and I couldn’t care less how they are treated. Another poster who isn’t aware that words have actual meanings. No, Siam Sam, not every person who supports Trump is a Nazi. :smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/113 "2017-03-20T04:13:04Z")
Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/114 "2017-03-20T04:32:53Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Bullshit. In case you missed it. :smack: And here is your word for the day. > **[Nazism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)** > > Final solution > Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-siz-əm), formally National Socialism (NS; German: Nationalsozialismus, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}German: \[natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs\] ⓘ), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.... Please educate yourself on what a word means before using it. Unless you are employing the Humpty Dumpty method of debate where words only have the meaning you wish they had instead of what they do have. ---
**Author:** ![Firebreather1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47c2d/32.png) [@Firebreather1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebreather1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/115 "2017-03-20T04:58:23Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > No, I don’t have a problem with it. For one thing, only people who go out of their way to broadcast their Trump supportership will be affected by this. Wanna eat? Don’t wear wear a “I Voted for Trump!” t-shirt and you’ll be a’ight. Secondly, political bent is not a protected class. **I wouldn’t have a problem with a business banning actual Nazis, KKK, or ISIS members, so I don’t have a problem with them banning another political group.** Third, the average Trump supporter right now is an embarrassment, IMHO. They are marching in lockstep behind a corrupt buffoon. People like this deserve to be discriminated against. > > Yes, it is divisive. But I don’t think divisiveness is necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I don’t want to sing “kumbaya” with the asshole who sees nothing wrong with taking food out of the mouths of poor children and their frail grandparents just so we can build a monstrous wall on our southern border. And I shouldn’t have to serve someone who holds such despicable politics if I don’t want to. Are you seriously equating Trump supporters to Nazis, Klansmen and terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/116 "2017-03-20T05:05:33Z")
Real Nazis dressed better and believed in science. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/117 "2017-03-20T06:15:09Z")
Reactions to a sign that refused service to Obama supporters? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/118 "2017-03-20T06:16:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > First of all, note that the sign said “If you voted for Trump…”, not “If you support Trump…”. We’ve been thru this umpteen times on this MB-- one might have voted for Trump for a specific reason (repeal _Roe_, SCOTUS appointments, 2nd amendment issues, etc.) without being a “supporter” of all of Trump’s positions or policies. “Trump voter” is too broad a category to know that the person is, as many here like say, a “deplorable”. And we’ve also been over the fact numerous times that if you voted for Trump, based on whatever rationalizations, _you are responsible for putting him in office_. Funny how they never seem to even acknowledge that let alone argue against it. They are just as responsible for Trump as the German people were for Hitler. You do agree that they put Hitler into power, right? And that they were responsible for it? > [@](#): > > But keep up the good work of showing one of the reasons why Trump won in the first place-- telling people who disagree with you, politically, that they are evil. That’s bullshit. There isn’t a single voter who was on the fence who was pushed over to voting for Trump because someone called them evil, deplorable, whatever. Nor were there any who were going to be convinced to vote for Hillary by not saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Firebreather1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47c2d/32.png) [@Firebreather1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebreather1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/119 "2017-03-20T08:21:26Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Real Nazis dressed better and believed in science. > **[Reductio ad Hitlerum](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?%2Flogicalfallacies%2FReductio-ad-Hitlerum)** > > The attempt to make an argument analogous with Hitler or the Nazi party. Hitler is probably the most universally despised figure in history, so any connection to Hitler, or his beliefs, can (erroneously) cause others to view the argument in a... ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543/120 "2017-03-20T08:45:23Z")
> [@Firebreather1](#): > > Are you seriously equating Trump supporters to Nazis, Klansmen and terrorists? > [@Firebreather1](#): > > [Reductio ad Hitlerum](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/152/Reductio-ad-Hitlerum) I would invite you to read [this article](http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/being-honest-about-trump) by a respected journalist and long-time staff writer at the _New Yorker_. The subhead is “To call Donald Trump a fascist of some variety is simply to use a historical label that fits”, and that’s no logical fallacy. The writer goes on to say: The arguments about whether[Trump] meets every point in some static fascism matrix show a misunderstanding of what that ideology involves. It is the essence of fascism to have no single fixed form—an attenuated form of nationalism in its basic nature, it naturally takes on the colors and practices of each nation it infects … It is no surprise that the American face of fascism would take on the forms of celebrity television and the casino greeter’s come-on, since that is as much our symbolic scene as nostalgic re-creations of Roman splendors once were Italy’s. What all forms of fascism have in common is the glorification of the nation, and the exaggeration of its humiliations, with violence promised to its enemies, at home and abroad; the worship of power wherever it appears and whoever holds it; contempt for the rule of law and for reason; unashamed employment of repeated lies as a rhetorical strategy; and a promise of vengeance for those who feel themselves disempowered by history. It promises to turn back time and take no prisoners. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-democrats-restaurant-exclusion-sign/782543.md?page=7)