# Question for liberal dopers age 50 to 55 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 26, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162 "2005-07-26T02:38:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/121 "2005-07-28T01:57:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Ah, irony … No kidding. Wow. **Shodan** , give it up. I have never seen anyone over ten years old acting the way you are in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/122 "2005-07-28T02:14:35Z")
> [@Talon Karrde](#): > > **Shodan** , give it up. I have never seen anyone over ten years old acting the way you are in this thread. Ujnfortunately, it isn’t an act, it’s a way of life. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/123 "2005-07-28T03:41:30Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > They (Swiftboaters) were just a bunch of “hired guns” and liars. Someone could have asked them to back off, but why should they. The Swifties were able to make up lies and spread them, while the more “important” people could pretend to be innocent of any involvement. First they said Kerry was a coward. Then they said he gave himself all those commendations. Then they said the commendations were given under false pretenses. Then they said he wasn’t wounded enough, whatever that means. Every time one lie was outed, they drummed up a new one. They slandered a person who had been in the war with them, to benefit a group of high ranking chicken hawks. Air National Guard (AWOL). Other prioroties. Yada yada yada. It is a waste of time to rehash the whole Swift Boat Vet thing, but I disagree. Kerry backtracked, too. Being in Cambodia, one of his Purple Hearts, the Winter Soldier meeting, and releasing his military records, which he finally did, but not in full. The reason the issue came up in this thread is the Soylent Green referred to them as Chicken Hawks, which just makes no sense. If the accusation is directed at Bush/Cheney, etc., that’s one thing. But their involvement, whether true or not, is conjecture. And whatever role Bush played/didn’t play in the war is a completely different issue than what Kerry did. If you are interested in getting the story straight, so you can discount more effectively, I suggest reading the book by John ONeill. I’m no big fan of Bush, and never voted for him, but I found the evidence compelling. To write it off as another right wing conspiracy is just party-line bluster and wishful thinking. > [@](#): > > Absolutely not possible, Oh, good. That settles everything. > [@](#): > > …and their claims were refuted on televisionand elsewhere in print. They got spanked and were exposed for the liars they are. When there is money, I guess honor goes by the wayside. Some of these people had been connected to earlier similar tactics here and there, but I can’t find the printout right now. Below are direct quotes that may be interesting. There claims were proven false? They got spanked? Not from the majority of interviews I saw. And you must realize that the quotes you supplied do nothing to prove any claim by the SBVs. You might want to read them again. > [@](#): > > Anyway, Kerry went off to war and got wounded, and then took an honorable discharge. His being wounded was never in question. How the wounds occured was the question. If a wound is not caused by enemy fire it is not eligible for a PH. Just ask Max Cleland. Now you might want to debate the rule, and I might agree with you, but as it stands, and stood, self-inflicted wounds do not qualify. (And I’m NOT saying that they were _intentionally_ self inflicted.) And again, you must realize that what Bush did, or didn’t do has no bearing whatsoever what Kerry did in Vietnam–good or bad. The dots can always connect if you work hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/124 "2005-07-28T06:29:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **magellan01** , it would help you a great deal to read posts before replying to them in such a way as to look as stupid as you do right now. No, to call someone a liar does not mean that every word they say is false. Nor can one be called a liar for making an innocent error of fact. It is not impossible for a military veteran to be a liar or a partisan hack, either. > > Now log off and go do your homework before your Mommy starts yelling at you. Care to explain what the hell you’re talking about here? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/125 "2005-07-28T15:19:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It is a waste of time to rehash the whole Swift Boat Vet thing, but I disagree. … To write it off as another right wing conspiracy is just party-line bluster and wishful thinking. … > And you must realize that the quotes you supplied do nothing to prove any claim by the SBVs. You might want to read them again. You can believe whatever lies you want to, it’s your business. But some of us paid attention when the whole Swifty thing went down. This is the problem with politics. People stick their finers in their ears and go “lalalalalala I can’t hear you. meeble meeble, Rush says, Hannity says” and it’s all lies but it makes you happy. The quotes were from The News. The person who “spanked” them hardest was from Fox News, who are usually painted as Bush cheerleaders. If Bush’s most ardent supporters called bullshit on the Swifties, well that should tell you something. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162/126 "2005-07-28T19:21:52Z")
The whole Swift Boats thing can be clarified in two centences: John Kerry had his ass in one or more firefights in southeast Asia. George W. Bush did not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-liberal-dopers-age-50-to-55/314162.md?page=6)