Why do you think most of this hasn’t happened? Or shouldn’t?
You run a business you don’t get to discriminate against protected groups. Y’know- that’s a good thing.
Because nonprofit churches can’t engage in political action or use the pulpit to do so. Doesn’t matter what the content of the speech is- pro SSM or anti, they can’t use the pulpit as a political stumping place.
You can have whatever thoughts or opinions you want, but when you turn them into actions that impinge of the rights of others to freely live their lives it becomes a problem. How many taxis does someone have to be turned away from for carrying alcohol before their life is negatively impacted by someone running a business.
Well that is what I was asking. Is there a place in a liberal society for a person to run a business according to his/her own religious or philsophical views. Even if those views are unacceptable to the majority culture?
If it’s open to the general public, no.
Why do you want to allow discrimination?
Ever try reading for content? From your cite:
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Yes and no. You can close your business on Sat or Sunday if you wish to observe the Sabbath, since that affects all possible customers equally. Turn away specific customers because you don’t like their morals, beliefs, lifestyle etc- no.
This is just another rehashing of the “but if you’re really tolerant, you have to tolerate my intolerance!” argument
And the answer is still no.
I feel a business should be open to all the public. And I’d be just as against a gay-owned business refusing to serve anti-gay Christians.
b/c it is becoming increasingly obvious that you just can’t trust the powers that be to use their power to protect the rights of minorities. I used to like anti-discrimination laws too until I started to see ominous signs that the powers that be will use such laws to shut down groups they disagree with. I think this should be a concern for everyone.
Maybe it’s because I’m a liberal, but I find the idea that just because someone bears your genes, that gives you the right to cram any shit you want into their defenceless brains, to be completely repugnant. “Their own children” really is “The children they own”, isn’t it?
Whatever happens, I hope asking silly questions like this becomes a hanging offense.
On the other hand, you can’t trust the other side to protect the rights of minors, so it’s a wash…
I agree…such laws make us feel good…until you are in the minority. Then you start to see things differently. This is why I am increasingly driven to libertarian thinking. I just don’t have any confidence that the powers that be will use their power to protect me. Instead, they will use it to shut down any speech they don’t like or that is culturally unacceptable.
and frankly…I don’t care what political or religious stripe you are.….if this doesn’t concern you, then just wait until whoever is in power uses their power to go after you. We already know the IRS went after tea party groups. now the mayor of Houston is going after fundamentalist christian pastors. you don’t have to be a Christian to be worried about the general direction things appear to be headed. This concerns all groups and religions.
Christians are not a minority.
Can you provide a few examples of entities that have shut down groups they disagree with?
well then libertarianism represents the last best hope for a truly free society. no?
I think that a baker doesn’t have the right to discriminate against protected classes in deciding who they will bake a cake for. In my opinion, a baker should not be able to refuse to bake a cake for a black person on the basis that the customer is black. They should not be able to refuse to bake a cake for a Christian on the basis that the customer is Christian. And I don’t think that a baker should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay person on the basis that the customer is gay.
On the other hand, drinking or possessing alcohol is not a protected class. If a Muslim, Mormon, or Baptist cab driver wanted to refuse service to someone reeking of alcohol, then I don’t see how the government has an interest in that.
Every "sign"you’ve posted to this thread has been a gross mischaracterization of what is going on.
You honestly want to tell me that the poor disenfranchised Christians have much to worry about about being discriminated against?
The entire social structure is set up around the Christian majority. Why do public schools have winter breaks that happen to always fall around Christmas? Or spring breaks that magically start on Good Friday and go over Easter? Why are most businesses, if they close on the weekends, close on Sunday? McD’s offers friday fish sandwich deals during lent and no one bats an eye- one BK in San Fran offers their burger wrapped in a rainbow wrapper and people go apeshit?
You really think our Christian hetero-normative society is really in that much danger???
Again, not true.
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On September 5, 2014, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations released its report on the controversy.[147] The subcommittee’s majority report, authored by subcommittee chairman Senator Carl Levin and submitted for the subcommittee’s Democrats, concurred with TIGTA’s finding that inappropriate screening criteria were used but concluded that there was no intentional wrongdoing or political bias in the use of the criteria. The majority faulted TIGTA for omitting from its report that liberal groups were also targeted for additional screening and that previous TIGTA inquiries found no indication of political bias at the IRS.[148] The subcommittee’s Republican minority submitted a dissenting report authored by ranking member Senator John McCain which broadly validated the TIGTA report and accused the majority of minimizing bias against conservative groups, noting that most of the groups targeted for additional scrutiny were conservative.[149]
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