# Question for linguists -- "LiverPUDlian"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 16, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558 "2008-03-16T15:44:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/21 "2008-03-17T02:27:37Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] Liiiiver Bird (on top of the building) [/QUOTE] And here was me thinking a [Liver Bird](http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/liverbirds/index.shtml) was a young female Liverpudlian. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/22 "2008-03-17T06:54:26Z")
[QUOTE=Dr. Drake] I don’t think the logic holds here. The others were probably all formed later by analogy with Liverpool \> Liverpudlian. OED seems to list only Liverpudlian, from 1833, so unless they’ve missed out on a lot of data the others must postdate that by at least 150 years. [/QUOTE] I don’t follow this. What in particular stops it from being a general form for ‘-pool’ placenames? I don’t see anything surprising about Liverpudlian being the only one in the OED, because I wouldn’t expect every single town with an adjective to get listed. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/23 "2008-03-17T12:29:01Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] The name “Gotham” for NY (and hence Gothamite for a New Yorker) is a bit more jocular. Washington Irving coined it in reference to the [Wise Men of Gotham](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_Men_of_Gotham), who acted like madmen. [/QUOTE] And just to explain all of the humor out of the joke, “Gotham” means “Goat town”, suggesting as rural, backward and out of the way a village as you could get. It was sort of like the more current term “Hicksville,” which suggests the village where all of the rural hicks live (though it is also a perfectly lovely suburban town on Long Island). Washington Irving’s humor was in referring to the bustling city of New York as the prototypical tiny goat farming village where the villagers are utterly unsophisticated rural fools. Ironically, this jest has changed the word “Gotham” to mean a major metropolis, not a rural backwater. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/24 "2008-03-17T12:34:55Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] “Sooner” for an Oklahoman is also a bit of a joke. [/QUOTE] Not so much a joke than an insult. “Sooners” were, essentially, cheats. It’s similar to Missourians being proud of being called the “Show Me” state when the original meaning was that they were too stupid to understand things without a concrete example. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/25 "2008-03-17T12:43:22Z")
[QUOTE=Chez Guevara] . Just to clarify matters, people from Hartlepool are called Monkey Hangers. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Yeah, but that one isn’t based on the place name at all, rather on an historical event. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558/26 "2008-03-17T14:53:47Z")
I’m originally from East Liverpool, Ohio, and we did indeed refer to ourselves as “East Liverpudlians.” There are several theories as to how “Hoosiers” came to be associated with the stalwart yeomen of Indiana. “Suckers” was a Civil War-era term for American Midwesterners, IIRC, before it took on the connotation of an easily-fooled person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-linguists-liverpudlian/441558.md?page=1)