# Question for non-Americans. Car question. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 4, 2014, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621 "2014-05-04T05:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/21 "2014-05-04T13:10:52Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > In France, besides “the front seat” it is sometimes referred to as “la place du mort”, or dead man’s seat. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > That’s funny. Where does it come from? Similar terms used to be used in the U.S. because in a collision the steering wheel might provide some protection to the driver, but the person next to them would go through the windshield. The terms has gone out of use over time with the introduction of lap belts, three-point restraints, and finally air-bags. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/22 "2014-05-04T19:15:11Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > That’s funny. Where does it come from? Insurance statistics. Before safety belts and airbags, and before safety glass, in a frontal collision the driver would sometimes be caught into the steering wheel and get hurt, but the passenger would smack his face into the windshield and die (or get thrown straight through). Also when you get T-boned from the right (which is the expected result of not seeing a vehicle that has the right of way), the driver’s fine but the passenger’s screwed. So, statistically, there was a time when the passenger in a car crash had a higher fatality rate than the driver. This isn’t true any more, but the idiom stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/23 "2014-05-04T19:30:46Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Similar terms used to be used in the U.S. because in a collision the steering wheel might provide some protection to the driver… IIRC, the much-touted-in-car-commercials-in-the-'60s ‘deep dish steering wheel’ was developed as a safety device to mitigate the driver being impaled. (Plus it looked sporty.) I think the idea was that the rim would absorb some energy so that the hub would not penetrate/cause much blunt-force damage. That, plus collapsing steering columns (which I think were mandated in 1968), no doubt saved many lives. . ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/24 "2014-05-05T03:40:41Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > In France, besides “the front seat” it is sometimes referred to as “la place du mort”, or dead man’s seat. I’ve heard it called that too. Well, the English words. We didn’t speak much French in the Chicago suburbs. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/25 "2014-05-05T13:25:32Z")
“Asiento del Acompañante” Companion Seat. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/26 "2014-05-05T15:17:15Z")
In Japanese “passenger seat” in contrast the the back seat which is called “back seat.” Not that exciting. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/27 "2014-05-05T15:26:27Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > …BTW, why do we call it “shotgun”? It was a term used in the 1800’s for the stagecoaches where you had one man driving the horses and another man sitting next to him holding a shotgun. Another US driving tradition that dates from the stagecoach days is the practice of [driving on the right](http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/right.cfm). In Jolly Old England ™, people rode on the left so that they could draw a sword with their right hand and have it available to whack someone passing by on their right. In the 13 colonies and later the US, people rode with guns. If you were right-handed, it was easier to shoot a long gun (musket, shotgun, rifle, etc.) toward your _left_. So people kept to the right so they could draw and fire on a moment’s notice if the guy coming turned out to be a bandit or some other undesirable person. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/28 "2014-05-05T15:54:16Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > In France, besides “the front seat” it is sometimes referred to as “la place du mort”, or dead man’s seat. > > > [@](#): > > > > Insurance statistics. It also was called the suicide seat. Riding in the suicide seat in a car with suicide doors — f’rinstance a tinfoil Fiat 500 with no seat belts, especially in winter — was real adventure. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/29 "2014-05-05T17:07:12Z")
I call dead! ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/30 "2014-05-06T02:24:02Z")
So I guess no non-USians call “Radio!” but then there aren’t too many cars left with usable middle seats. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/31 "2014-05-06T05:18:17Z")
In Spanish from Spain _asiento del copiloto_; I’ve heard other people call it _asiento del navegador_ but in any case it means “seat where the person with the maps goes”. In English class (British, always British) we were taught “passenger seat”; when I first encountered “shotgun” it took me a while to figure out what were the Americans saying. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/32 "2014-05-06T05:29:33Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > BTW, why do we call it “shotgun”? It was a term used in the 1800’s for the stagecoaches where you had one man driving the horses and another man sitting next to him holding a shotgun. There’s no evidence that the term was used until the early 1920s. Stagecoaches drivers _did_ have people riding shotgun. It just appears they didn’t call it that. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/33 "2014-05-06T05:39:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > There’s no evidence that the term was used until the early 1920s. Stagecoaches drivers _did_ have people riding shotgun. It just appears they didn’t call it that. You can probably blame western books and movies then. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/34 "2014-05-06T10:19:29Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Unfortunately, the term ‘shotgun’ seems to have been misunderstood in the UK (at least within my immediate circle) - people appear to have misinterpreted the parts of the phrase ‘I call shotgun’ (i.e. “I wish to sit in the front, and I am first to ask”) to the effect that ‘Shotgun’ means the ‘I call’ part. > > So, for example, when a box of cakes is offered, someone might say “shotgun the one with sprinkles!” (which makes no sense). As **Martini Enfield** pointed out, I wouldn’t say this was a misunderstanding really, just another example of an evolving language. It’s a very common and well-understood phrase among those of my age group (28) and younger. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/35 "2014-05-06T11:06:55Z")
So cultures unfamiliar with the whole ‘shotgun’, as designating a specific seat in the car, have now taken it to replace, ‘dibs’. As in, ‘Dibs on the doughnut with sprinkles!’ That’s kind of hilarious! ‘Shotgun everything!’ ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/36 "2014-05-06T12:06:08Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > So cultures unfamiliar with the whole ‘shotgun’, as designating a specific seat in the car, have now taken it to replace, ‘dibs’. As in, ‘Dibs on the doughnut with sprinkles!’ > > That’s kind of hilarious! ‘Shotgun everything!’ Yes, but we also say dibs, and bags or bagsy, and I think they’re more common than shotgun. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/37 "2014-05-06T14:01:25Z")
Bags or baggy? Never heard of it! Do explain. Why / how does it mean dibs? ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/38 "2014-05-06T15:15:02Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Bags or baggy? Never heard of it! Do explain. Why / how does it mean dibs? I bags/bag/bagsy the front seat/first cake/whatever. Bags is used idiomatically, not in accordance with common grammar. “Bagsy the front seat!!” “Bags the front seat!” (Or cake, or whatever). Or just bagsy. “Bagsy first in the loo” is a common one after a long journey home. It only counts when you’re either walking towards home or at least pulling up there though - you can’t bagsy first in the loo two miles down the road unless you’re saying it in the sense of “if you don’t let me go first, I actually am not going to be able to control my bladder/bowels, so trust me, you want me to go first.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/39 "2014-05-07T01:05:08Z")
Then there is the curious usage by truckers, I guess (first heard it on a TV show about truckers) where the guy who is not driving is called the “swamper”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621/40 "2014-05-07T01:47:13Z")
My neck of the woods we call it the passenger seat, but we “call shotgun” meaning someone is claiming the passenger seat. /Canada [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-non-americans-car-question/687621.md?page=3)