# Question for Republicans: If Trump wins the Nomination... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 3, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332 "2015-12-03T18:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/201 "2015-12-10T14:26:23Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > “Sorry, it’s only 40%.” Again, the numbers of Trump were a lie, and the ones that gave this number are also not telling you the whole truth. Get better guys to follow, and better sources. The closest number to 40% was the number of people dying at the hands of the police. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/202 "2015-12-10T14:27:23Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > “Sorry, it’s only 40%.” No it’s not. It’s about 16% or so. See [here](https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide). Now’s your chance to show your decency. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/203 "2015-12-10T14:47:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No it’s not. It’s about 16% or so. See [here](https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide). > > Now’s your chance to show your decency. 🙂 40% was based on the quote in Gigo’s post stating that the correct stat would be about half of Trump’s 81%. I’m old and white; how could I possibly have any decency? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/204 "2015-12-10T14:55:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No it’s not. It’s about 16% or so. See [here](https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide). > > Now’s your chance to show your decency. 🙂 Indeed, and one should not forget that the number from Trump was 81%. It will be interesting to find where inscrutable got that 40%, it is almost like if the Trump followers are on the bargaining phase of grief. On edit: Oh, I see, he got it from an speculation and not the FBI, that figures. The point stands, the “original” number came from a racist source and Trump is not apologizing for tweeting racist bait. As one can see his followers are being misled and the only issue here is why his followers get upset with the ones that are correcting a misstatement rather than getting angry at the one that is misleading them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/205 "2015-12-10T15:13:31Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > If you keep reading you’ll see where I admit to doing it and in one thread I posted that it violated my personal ethics but I still did it. > > The overall context is, I oppose the current primary system. It’s absurd that a party candidate can be determined by people who have no intention of voting for them. Yes, but I voted against Huckabee in the Republican Gubernatorial primary. Didn’t work. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/206 "2015-12-10T19:22:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Indeed, and one should not forget that the number from Trump was 81%. It will be interesting to find where inscrutable got that 40% From Politifact quoted by you in your earlier post: “Trump’s number is about double the most accurate figures we could find. That makes him about 100 percent off.” ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/207 "2015-12-10T19:32:15Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > The overall context is, I oppose the current primary system. It’s absurd that a party candidate can be determined by people who have no intention of voting for them. What if I want to see the best possible candidates on both sides in the general election? Because I am a patriot and the country is better served that way. Perhaps I haven’t even decided which way to vote in the general. Should I not vote for a preferable candidate in whichever primary has the most action or most leverage? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/208 "2015-12-10T19:40:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And without their bad motives. But again, when otherwise good people won’t enforce our laws, that leaves the shadier characters to do it. Scotsman, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/209 "2015-12-10T19:43:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, but Trump never apologizes so it’s not evidence of anything other than the fact that he never apologizes. Really? Did you really state that someone who is known for not apologizing can, therefore, say anything he wants and shrug off any other accusations? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/210 "2015-12-10T21:43:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sorry, but I’ve somehow overlooked your pleadings on this matter. Please allow me to, uh…elucidate: > > Examples of it abound. Here on this board, on college campuses, in magazines, in daytime and late night TV talk shows, in the mainstream media, from the mouths of most Democrat politicians…just about anywhere people with a liberal or pro-Democrat mindset congregate or find themselves with a voice. Why try to limit it to some specific politico or radio personality? > > Conservatives and Republicans in each of these arenas are consistently accused of being haters over things that have nothing to do with hate, we’re called racists over things that aren’t racist, we’re called misogynists over things that have nothing to do with hatred or disdain from women (remember the left railing about our “War On Women”, which in reality was nothing more than thinking people should pay for their own birth control. > > Democrats and lefties have been using these tactics constantly since the late sixties and it’s only gotten worse the more that time has gone by. It’s become so common and pervasive now that many young people who grow up hearing it swallow it hook, line and sinker without even giving it any thought. > > But I’ve got news for you: > > Objecting to illegal immigration does not equal hatred of Hispanics as people. Nor is it xenophobia. > > Objecting to the U.S. throwing its doors open to Muslim immigrants when various terrorist organizations have made clear their intentions to infiltrate their ranks is likewise not racism, nor is it xenophobia. It’s common sense. > > Condemning the violent and misogynistic lyrics of rap music does not equal racism. > > Gun ownership is not due to bloodlust or hate, but to hear liberals tell it gun owners just can’t wait till someone tries to attack them or break into their homes so they can break out their pocket cannon and plug 'em. > > Believing people should buy their own birth control is not remotely misogyny, nor is it any kind of “War On Women”. > > The wealthy are portrayed as greedy and evil and the poor as noble and downtrodden. The accomplishments of the successful are handwaved away as the result of privilege, despite the fact that even among the so-called privileged they are a rarity. > > The rich getting richer has no bearing on the poor getting poorer…to the extent they even do. People earn according to their worth in the employment marketplace. You will not take home one dollar more were every billionaire in the country go broke, and you’ll not take home any less because they earn more this year. Yet we’re subjected to this bromide constantly as a way of making it seem once again that the successful don’t deserve their success and only achieve it at the expense of the noble and downtrodden poor. > > Etc., etc., etc. I could easily list a hundred other dishonest and ridiculous ways the left demonizes the right and works to divide the nation, but you get the idea. > > Further, any objection to liberal ideas, viewpoints, social efforts and programs are usually portrayed as some form of evil as well. Never, ever is there the slightest hint that perhaps the two sides simply have different ideas about how to solve problems, or that conservatives have every bit as much right to their point of view as do liberals. But no, it’s my way or the highway when it comes to the left. You’re either with 'em or you’re some kind of asshole. > > It’s ridiculous, but it’s the world we live in. And as a result Trump is now polling at 35% in Reuters’ latest rolling poll, and predictably all the nation’s lefties are running around like Chicken Littles with their heads cut off and wailing about the next coming of Hitler, all because Trump wants a moratorium on Muslim immigration. > > Like I said, it’s ridiculous, and it’s dishonest as hell, but that doesn’t mean it’s gonna stop, does it? A wall of unverifiable bullshit does not make it less shit, but maybe more bull. The only thing you prove with this post is your own ridiculousness and dishonesty. If I may be honest, believing everyone should have equal opportunities in life is not “my way or the highway”, it’s common sense. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/211 "2015-12-11T03:40:05Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Really? Did you really state that someone who is known for not apologizing can, therefore, say anything he wants and shrug off any other accusations? No, only that if Trump was racist it would have been known before he began his political campaign. He is a public figure with nearly 100% name recognition and he runs a lot of businesses that employ people. If he was racist there would be a history of lawsuits and complaints. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/212 "2015-12-11T03:57:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, only that if Trump was racist it would have been known before he began his political campaign. He is a public figure with nearly 100% name recognition and he runs a lot of businesses that employ people. If he was racist there would be a history of lawsuits and complaints. There is surely a difference in behavior in making money and wanting to be elected. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/213 "2015-12-11T03:59:45Z")
Trump actually thinks he’s going to win minority voters over. That is not a dream a racist man holds on to. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/214 "2015-12-11T04:13:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, only that if Trump was racist it would have been known before he began his political campaign. He is a public figure with nearly 100% name recognition and he runs a lot of businesses that employ people. If he was racist there would be a history of lawsuits and complaints. That is just fuckin’ stupid. Did you hear about that NBA owner _before_ he made his racist comments to his girlfriend (and a hidden microphone) a couple of years back. Did you hear about the manager of … was it the Dodgers? some years ago being racist before he made his comments in front of a live mike about no blacks being qualified to manage baseball teams? Did you hear about Jimmy the Greek being a racist before he made public comments about blacks being bred for physical stamina and that being why black athletes are better today? The world is full of rich and powerful people who are racists and bigots but smart enough to keep these opinions to themselves in front of live mikes. Likewise the world is full of poor and weak people who are bigots and racists who will state their views publicly almost anytime and anywhere. The difference is nobody gives much of a shit about what the poor bigots say. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/215 "2015-12-11T04:17:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump actually thinks he’s going to win minority voters over. That is not a dream a racist man holds on to. I’ll grant that it’s possible he doesn’t understand how bigoted and offensive his comments are, though it seems unlikely when now even major Republicans are telling him so. And I’ll grant that it’s even possible he’s not a bigot but he’s deliberately saying this shit to appeal to bigots. Either one makes him unfit to be president. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/216 "2015-12-11T05:03:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump actually thinks he’s going to win minority voters over. That is not a dream a racist man holds on to. :dubious: Knowing that one of the most common words coming from people that were caught doing or saying racist things is “some of my friends are black” this is not so weird. Racists do think that even the targets of racism will always love the bosses, like that NBA owner. Before Frederick Douglas escaped his masters, the plantation owner caught his wife teaching reading to Douglas while he was a little servant in their home. The owner sternly told the wife to not do that as he warned that if a slave were to read, he would learn enough to want to be free.\*\* Douglas reported that he was present when the owner gave that verdict\*\*. So much was the contempt plantation owners had of the blacks people, that the owners were confident that a black kid was like a pet that was expected to not understand what was being talked about them, after all according to them black people were not much human to be capable to realize what was best for them. It has been said that history does not really repeat itself but it rimes, in this case Trump has that attitude that the minorities will continue to love the “master” too. Thinking that joining Arapio to the hip or defending a racist tweet can be said to the “little” people with no repercussions. And even though in reality most minorities would like to flee from the likes of them. Or to join forces with the [del]Union[/del] Democrats to defeat the either tone deaf/incompetent or racist. [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260401-poll-trump-unpopular-with-hispanics](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260401-poll-trump-unpopular-with-hispanics) > [@](#): > > Among another important segment of the electorate—Hispanic Americans—the Republican primary field remains largely undefined with an important exception. Eight in ten (80%) Hispanics have an unfavorable view of Trump, including nearly six in ten (59%) who say they view him very unfavorably. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/217 "2015-12-11T05:52:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You wanted me to explain what I meant when I said liberals and Democrats have been using hate to divide the country for decades. I explained how they do so and gave you descriptions of some of it. The examples I posted are exactly what I had in mind when I said what I did. Your and others’ attempts to narrow it down to specific examples asks for a different answer than the one I had in mind. You wanted to know what I meant and to see examples of it, and that’s what I gave you. I’m not going to waste my time and my phone’s battery power posting specific examples of tactics I described because they’re all over the news and entertainment media, this board itself, and the internet wherever liberals have a voice. What you’re doing is trying to rebut my mention of a forest by asking for cites of trees. I can’t begin to understand what you hope to gain through such a nonsensical tactic. Ok. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/218 "2015-12-11T06:21:20Z")
Hmm…that was a more polite answer than I expected. So in return I’ll just say, “You’re welcome!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/219 "2015-12-11T06:54:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, only that if Trump was racist it would have been known before he began his political campaign. He is a public figure with nearly 100% name recognition and he runs a lot of businesses that employ people. If he was racist there would be a history of lawsuits and complaints. [You mean something like this](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html)? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/220 "2015-12-11T06:59:24Z")
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