# Question for Republicans: If Trump wins the Nomination... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 3, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332 "2015-12-03T18:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/61 "2015-12-05T04:41:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, please. Democrats (and liberals even moreso whether Democrat or beyond) have been using hate to divide the nation for decades. Right – all those black people and other people of color supporting the Democratic party are totally dupes – it’s not like they can actually think for themselves, and support the party that they think best supports their interests, is it? That’s not possible, I suppose. No way those black people actually might have minds of their own… right? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/62 "2015-12-05T04:45:34Z")
What’s funny about that is that if African-Americans actually did make the difference in 2016 by going say, 15% for the GOP and bringing the Republicans into the White HOuse, that we’d see tons of articles about “What’s wrong with African-Americans?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/63 "2015-12-05T04:52:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What’s funny about that is that if African-Americans actually did make the difference in 2016 by going say, 15% for the GOP and bringing the Republicans into the White HOuse, that we’d see tons of articles about “What’s wrong with African-Americans?” If 90% white people voted Democratic, then Hillary wins every state! What a fun game! What if aliens invaded and they were all given the vote? What do you think would be the political effect? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/64 "2015-12-05T04:57:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What’s funny about that is that if African-Americans actually did make the difference in 2016 by going say, 15% for the GOP and bringing the Republicans into the White HOuse, that we’d see tons of articles about “What’s wrong with African-Americans?” You are once again reaching for the crazy hypothetical thinking that it makes a good point. In reality that was just pathetic, as the subject is Trump and him getting the nomination it is important to look at the sources the Trumpeter is relying on. > **[We Found Where Donald Trump's "Black Crimes" Graphic Came From](https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45291_We_Found_Where_Donald_Trumps_Black_Crimes_Graphic_Came_From)** > > So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic: "@SeanSean252: @WayneDupreeShow @Rockprincess818 @CheriJacobus pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN" — Donald J. Trump... > [@](#): > > **We Found Where Donald Trump’s “Black Crimes” Graphic Came from.** > [@](#): > > Here’s the bio of the person who posted it: > > Notice that he’s an admirer of Hitler: > > ``` > Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache. > > ``` > > And his avatar, that looks like a modified swastika, is the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement. > > So there you have it. Donald Trump is posting racist imagery that comes directly from neo-Nazis. Trump is on the way of becoming the twit of the decade and the liar of it too. > **[Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/)** > > Update (June 8, 2020): This viral image started recirculating on social media after the death of George Floyd. It remain > [@](#): > > Pants On Fire Lie > [@](#): > > Trump tweeted an image that made various statistical claims, including that blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims. Almost every number in the image is wrong. The statistics on white victims are exaggerated five-fold. The police-related deaths are off as well. > > We rate this claim Pants on Fire. And against that you come back with an “IF” about 15% of blacks would vote for him? I think evidence like this one will not be conductive to that. More will vote against Trump indeed. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/65 "2015-12-05T05:00:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > We of the patriotic left need a Republican Party. Do we need a worthy, inquiring opponent? Maybe. But no, we don’t need a bunch of obstructionist dickbuckets with no more original ideas than “cut taxes, bomb some strangers, and get rid of the browns”. To summarize, screw those guys. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/66 "2015-12-05T05:04:24Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Do we need a worthy, inquiring opponent? Maybe. But no, we don’t need a bunch of obstructionist dickbuckets with no more original ideas than “cut taxes, bomb some strangers, and get rid of the browns”. To summarize, screw those guys. You should add also guys that also have no use for science. (There is indeed a lot of harm Trump would do as an anti-vaxxer and as a denier of human induced climate change) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/67 "2015-12-05T06:19:40Z")
Wait, did Trump come out solid anti-vaccination, or did he just do some dodging dance about parental choice? And why are there two “X” s in “anti-vaxx”, is that the extra sexy version? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/68 "2015-12-05T06:43:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait, did Trump come out solid anti-vaccination, or did he just do some dodging dance about parental choice? And why are there two “X” s in “anti-vaxx”, is that the extra sexy version? Actually the ones that do the dodging dance about choice are called the same, they are like the creationists that demand that schools “teach the controversy” What happens is that just as creationists can not teach religion in schools they fall back for the “teaching the controversy” with the only idea to seed doubt, besides doubts what ends up happening with the so called “choice” for parents is that many times the kids end up missing vaccines. And that is what the most radical anti-vaccine ones want anyhow. > **[Danger Zones of Parental Vaccine Refusal](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/danger-zones-of-parental-vaccine-refusal/)** > > Back in 2009 I wrote a story entitled, “The New Plague”, about my experiences as a pediatrician with the frightening trend of parental vaccine refusal in New York City. In that post I discussed s > [@](#): > > Concerns about vaccines tend to fall into several different categories including, but not limited to: > [ul] > [li]Vaccines cause diseases, including autism and autoimmune diseases.[/li][li] Vaccines contain toxins, which can harm the body in unknown ways.[/li][li] Too many vaccines given together can overwhelm the immune system.[/li][li] Vaccines are unnecessary, and/or do not work.[/li][/ul] > > These myths have been addressed at length many times on SBM and elsewhere, so I will not discuss them further here. While some parents buy into the more extreme forms of anti-vaccine propaganda, most understand that vaccines are responsible for the dramatic decline in the incidence of horrible diseases and that they are generally safe. However, they may falsely conclude that because these diseases are now so rare, they no longer need to be as vigilant about vaccinating their children. This makes it easier for parents, who don’t necessarily buy into the full anti-vaccine mythology, to take a “play it safe” approach and accept some form of alternate vaccination strategy. It is difficult to explain to these parents that until the diseases are truly eradicated from the planet, we must keep vaccinating everyone; that everyone needs to be vaccinated to maintain herd immunity for those too young to be vaccinated, for those who cannot be vaccinated due to health reasons, and for those for whom the vaccines do not work. As for the xx added to anti-vaccine, not sure, maybe because for what was explained many doctors see them as double crossers. So yeah, not willing to give Trump the big megaphone that will tell many Americans what to do about vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/69 "2015-12-05T13:36:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Probably write in Rubio or Romney. I don’t think Trump will get the nomination. > > Regards, > Shodan Yes, something like this. Trump is a blithering, pandering idiot, bereft of ideas and incompetent to govern. Nothing could make me vote for him. But nothing could make me vote for a Democratic candidate when I am just about comprehensively opposed to her every policy. I’d probably write someone in and grind my teeth as Hillary took the election. What a world… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/70 "2015-12-05T15:53:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **adaher** : > > Condemnation of hate is fine. Condemnation of a straw man hater that doesn’t exist, this supposed Republican who supports police brutality, is called race baiting. Huh, that’s funny, [this guy in another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18897962#post18897962) seems to think that there are quite a lot of them. So many, in fact, that if Democrats try to reduce police brutality, it’ll cost them votes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/71 "2015-12-05T16:16:48Z")
To be ruthlessly fair, he didn’t actually say it _would_ cost them votes, only that it _did_, and huge. And he would have offered us solid citation on that if only he weren’t so darned _busy_! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/72 "2015-12-05T20:31:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wouldn’t be so sure. The same strategy that Trump is using to try to appeal to Republicans may not be the same strategy he uses to appeal to the general electorate. Trump has a strategy? I’d hate to see what he’d be like without one!! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/73 "2015-12-05T21:21:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > … And why are there two “X” s in “anti-vaxx”, is that the extra sexy version? Probably to distinguish it from [VAX](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX), which nobody could possibly be “anti-” because it was so wonderful! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/74 "2015-12-05T23:12:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wouldn’t be so sure. The same strategy that Trump is using to try to appeal to Republicans may not be the same strategy he uses to appeal to the general electorate. > > How much of what Trump is doing can he really not control? Sure, he’s not going to be Clinton/Bush level disciplined, but simply dropping to saying one controversial thing a week and not being completely ridiculous in his antics(messing around with his belt, rolling around on the floor) would be a huge change. It would also be a huge risk. A change in strategy going into the general is not unusual for real candidates, but this would have to be so much more than that. He’s essentially appealing to the lunatic vote right now, which appears to be quite a large contingent. An appeal to the general populace would require a complete about-face, which (a) would alienate the lunatics, and (b) I think he’s congenitally incapable of doing. However much of the present antics are just an act, he truly is a shoot-from-the-hip megalomaniac with no solid policies and no personal discipline. Not to mention that thing on his head. I have no idea what his real thinking is on this, except for the certainty that he’s figured out how he’s going to come out financially ahead no matter what, so for The Donald it’s all good, so he’ll stay in the game as long as the cards are turning up right. The fate of the country or the rubes that he’s bamboozling is the last thing on his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/75 "2015-12-05T23:26:05Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Probably to distinguish it from [VAX](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX), which nobody could possibly be “anti-” because it was so wonderful! 🙂 A lot of people inside DEC were against the VAX; sadly, the writing was on the wall for 36-bit systems when none of the microprocessors coming out in the later 1970s and early 1980s were compatible with them, and then DEC mismanaged itself into irrelevance right until it was bought out by Compaq. Lesson for the future: If you’re going to build a long-lived OS, build it on the cheap commodity hardware. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/76 "2015-12-05T23:58:17Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > A lot of people inside DEC were against the VAX; sadly, the writing was on the wall for 36-bit systems when none of the microprocessors coming out in the later 1970s and early 1980s were compatible with them, and then DEC mismanaged itself into irrelevance right until it was bought out by Compaq. > > Lesson for the future: If you’re going to build a long-lived OS, build it on the cheap commodity hardware. Perhaps very slightly OT for Elections, but … 🙂 36-bit systems were already obsolete after both IBM with System/360 and DEC with the PDP-11 essentially standardized on byte-addressable architectures. The only people inside DEC really opposed to VAX were the lovable but aging stoners still clinging to the nostalgia of the PDP-10/DECsystem10. As far as long-lived OSs and commodity hardware, the VMS group later became just as reactionary as the PDP-10 group when asked to look at porting VMS to a RISC architecture and came up with hundreds of reasons why “it couldn’t be done” because VMS was so tightly married to the VAX architecture. There was some truth to that but in fact it could be done, and it was. OpenVMS was the premier OS for Digital’s RISC platform, Alpha. But you’re right, Digital mismanaged itself by putting all its faith in its legacy of engineering excellence and ignoring the sea change of commoditization in networks, mid-range systems, and desktop computing. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/77 "2015-12-06T00:33:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wouldn’t be so sure. The same strategy that Trump is using to try to appeal to Republicans may not be the same strategy he uses to appeal to the general electorate. The damage is done though. The TV ads run by liberal SuperPACs to remind everyone what a complete, utter asshole Trump is would be epic. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/78 "2015-12-06T00:34:54Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Yes, something like this. Trump is a blithering, pandering idiot, bereft of ideas and incompetent to govern. Nothing could make me vote for him. > > But nothing could make me vote for a Democratic candidate when I am just about comprehensively opposed to her every policy. > > I’d probably write someone in and grind my teeth as Hillary took the election. What a world… And that is why Hillary would win so easily against Trump. She doesn’t have to bring more voters to the table, just watch Republicans stay home in droves. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/79 "2015-12-06T00:38:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Condemnation of hate is fine. Condemnation of a straw man hater that doesn’t exist, this supposed Republican who supports police brutality, is called race baiting. Are you actually here on a discussion about Trump saying that? You vastly underestimate the depths of depravity to which a section of the GOP has dropped. Heck, Trump approved of a black lives matter protester at one of his events being roughed up. Ten bucks says he’d say the same if cops did it, and twenty bucks says thousands of his supporters would tweet their agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/80 "2015-12-06T11:41:02Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > And that is why Hillary would win so easily against Trump. She doesn’t have to bring more voters to the table, just watch Republicans stay home in droves. I agree. I think Hillary (or any electable candidate) beats Trump easily. My strong hope is he doesn’t get the nomination. That would be disastrous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332.md?page=5)