Question for the ladies - work and gender

You ought to be around sci fi or comic book fanatics.

I have no preference. I’ve worked in male dominated, female dominated and mixed workplaces, and all have been fine. The few problems I’ve had have been down to personalities, not gender.

That is my preferred herd environment.

In trouble with who? :confused:

Don’t care about the rest of the workforce, but I have always taken jobs that were previously held by men. Or I should say, after my first couple of jobs, I have always preferred to take jobs previously held by men. They tended to be more interesting jobs and to pay better. Less so now, I think–which is good.

My experience has been in an office with a lot of women in low-level positions and a lot of men in high-level positions, that the women tend to bond in ways I would prefer not to. They get into this mindset where they are just the help and there’s a lot of servants-quarter type gossip, and things where they come to your office and mention there’s going to be a potluck and “all the girls” are bringing some kind of dish while those useless males will show up with a bag of potato chips–and if, as a woman, you opt out of this little ritual, then you are not a team player.

Whereas in an office where the sexes are evenly distributed among top positions and shit jobs, that doesn’t happen. So that’s better.

PS Why is this just a question for ladies?

Not to each other and about each other’s butt unless they happen to be gay, no. But “have you seen what the twins are wearing today?” and “man, I just love it when the boss wears those real high shoes, just don’t ask me how does she walk without falling down” “very interestingly, she walks very interestingly…”? Oh yes

Those are both translated from male coworkers who’d say those things in front of me after a check of “uh, do you mind…” “if you occasionally forget what you were saying when a group of women in tight clothes walk by? Nah, they’re achieving the desired effect. So long as you only do it when we’re on break it’s fine with me.”

They were indeed able to keep their eyeballs in their sockets when we were at work, so it was fine with me.

And there was this coworker that I figured was gay from the passes that him and another coworker threw at each other. “Helllllo handsome!” “Hi there, gorgeous! :slow wink:”

Huh? They do, at least sometimes I’ve caught them (not just coworkers) discussing that. And if that slipped by them in front of me, they probably talk about it when no women are around, as well.

Sex lives? Depends, and again this is why I say that women may say “men don’t gossip”, when the truth is that they don’t gossip in front of them. I’ve heard coworkers gossip about someone else’s sex life (not in detail), enough to let me know “guy is a womanizer, steer clear”, which I think is what they wanted me to know (and do). And again, if they want to gossip something else (plus sports and barbershops), they lock the door to their office.

The sexual harassment bit is funny. Again, if you’re discussing you or someone else’s sex lives in front of your gender, chances are your audience won’t get offended. This is again why I say women mention guys don’t gossip. Because guys won’t gossip or get into juicy details with the woman present.

Similarly, when I worked in mostly women environment, the lone guy didn’t hear as much juicy gossip because they saved that for when he was not present.

I’ll also add the caveat that because men exclude the woman from the manly talk, that is also not helping her if she needs that social standing/backup to get along in office politics. Women may feel as if they’re playing a game of politics when there are mostly women, but at least they’re invited to participate and contribute. If it were only men, the woman can be effectively excluded.

And yes, it’d be interesting to see a response to your question with the genders reversed. Would men prefer to work with mixed, mostly men, or mostly women? And why?

Well management. I worked at one place with a woman who liked to talk frankly about things and she started asking this one young man about his sex life, he pointed out he was a 25 year old virgin and she couldnt keep her mouth shut about that, it made him go nuts and management got involved.

And I’ve seen it where the females can talk pretty nasty about mens bodies and men have filed charges on the women about it.

Someone mentioned race relations. I had one job with mostly hispanics and these hispanic females would huddle in a group of about 10 and chatter away in Spanish and I knew enough Spanish to know they were being very detailed about the men working there.

This was a small company of seven people. One person owned the company, she was always involved in the discussions. :wink:

This has been my stance, too.

The only problem is that, because I’m the quiet-don’t-want-to-get-involved one, everybody comes to me to vent/complain/whatever. It’s exhausting. OTOH sometimes I wonder how much career damage I could do if I ever voiced any information to HR. Then I realize that 99.9% of it is petty crap and I let everything fly over my head.

Education, NGOs, and women’s health.

And that is one of the things I think is correlated to maturity. Young women who have a lot of maturity hate working with women, because most of their experience is with other young women who haven’t developed that maturity. As you get older, you get a chance to work with more diverse women and realize that a lot of them are - well, not the bitches from high school you associate with “women.” Unless you are unlucky enough to get stuck working with a bunch of fifty year old women who still think they are in high school.

This jibes with my experiences.

When women are concentrated at the lower rungs of an organization, I’ve seen the same dynamic emerge. Personalities take precedence over professionalism because everyone is jockeying to be the teacher’s pet (and the “teacher” is often a male). This is especially the case if the nature of the work itself makes it hard to be distinguished simply on the basis of how well the job is done. Backbiting behavior often gets rewarded in an environment like this.

If men were concentrated at the lower rungs of an organization relative to women, I have no doubt that stereotypical female behavior would crop up.

I’m guess I’m one of the outliers. I’m a woman and I prefer working with women and luckily I’m in a field that’s majority women. Most of the women I’ve worked with have been very supportive of me, and in my current job there are a number of women I really respect and whose friendship I enjoy.

Of the six men I work with, two are awesome (personally and professionally), two are professionally respectable but personally hard to work with, one is a really good guy when we’re talking personally but professionally he seems not to respect me very much, and one is a complete fuckup on every level.

If all the women in my workplace magically disappeared and I were left alone with the men, I think I’d have a hard time. The women I work with get shit done, are fun to work with, are dedicated to our patrons, and support me in my career.

That’s an extremely common scenario, in warehouses (the largest employment sector in this country), for example, men are the vast majority of workers but women are the majority of the highly paid, generally useless and incompetent managerial and administrative class.

Truth be told, I’d rather retire and spend my days with horses.

But, since I still have to work a few more years, I’d rather work with a mixed group, preferably a few more men than women. Like others have said, I don’t go in for the back-stabbing crap that women talk about with other women. It makes me weary. And, though I’m probably gonna get some hate for this, I’d prefer not to work with gay men. I don’t give a damn about their sexual lives or choices, that’s not the issue. It’s that the two I’ve worked with are just as bad as women for gossip and drama.