# Question for the straight boys about straight porn **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 12, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948 "2005-10-12T20:05:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/41 "2005-10-15T15:39:13Z")
> [@overlyverbose](#): > > if part of the attraction is that she looks like she’s very young, why do men find such extreme youth sexually attractive? Hell, if she’s too young to have boobs or pubic hair, wouldn’t she (theoretically) be too young to enjoy sex or at least know what she’s doing? If that’s the case, why is that a turn-on? Because she’s helpless? I suppose if it’s dom/sub or rape fantasy, a “helpless” look would be desired (though I personally can’t abide that stuff – I find the line with reality too thin). I think the mainstream appeal is more “unjaded, unspoiled, fresh” – ie: not a boob-jobbed, leathery old pro. I don’t watch an awful lot of pr0n because it is _so goddam stereotyped_. I don’t mean just male/female stereotypes (although it’s difficult to imagine people having sex at all without playing to them somehow). I mean the almighty inflexible conventions of the genre. Naked rubber-doll pubes, the [hijab](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab) of shod and lingeried chyx with fully naked doodz, immobile camera, endless closeups that reduce the actors to parts and faces. Also, why do the guys have to be so fucking _into themselves_ when fucking? They look like the world ends at their knob sometimes, looking up at the ceiling or eyes scrunched down at nothing, sometimes even flexing their ever present biceps and pecs like it’s all about me and men, the woman is just a way to rack up notches on my dick. The woman is the one who can be totally swept away during sex, passive, vocal, sensual, but the man must Perform, Deliver the Goods, hold high the banner of Manhood. And what’s the psychic subtext? Is a guy some sort of limp girlyman who couldn’t satisfy a woman if he wants to just lose himself in her? Pr0n is always going to be a commodity, like chicken. Parts is parts. But how _standardized_ a commodity does it have to be? How many people can’t get off because they feel they have to model pron or live up to it in some way, and they either don’t want to, can’t, or are distanced from their partner because of it? I think life imitates art a lot more often than _vice versa_. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/42 "2005-10-15T15:44:31Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > Men are visual creatures. Given a choice of clean shaven or landing strip versus fur bikini, most will choose the former. Well, thank you for setting me straight on _that_ issue. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/43 "2005-10-15T15:47:32Z")
> [@Beware of Doug](#): > > Well, thank you for setting me straight on _that_ issue. :rolleyes: ??? ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/44 "2005-10-15T16:21:26Z")
> [@rinni](#): > > I know I’d feel better seeing porn if there were girls in it closer to my level of attractiveness. Really? Not me! Porn is about fantasy, stimulation, and sometimes entertainment: I don’t want to see short, fat chicks getting fucked (who does?) – nor do I want to see short, fat guys doing the fucking. I want attractive people in my porn! I’m about as straight as a woman can get, but a very hot guy could be screwing an average-looking woman and I’d wish she were hotter (and nice tits work for me in porn, for some reason). I don’t want real life, which is why I never watch amateur porn. Hell, I don’t even particularly care for the “real men” section in _Playgirl_. I don’t need to see someone like me gettin’ some in a porno to know that someone like me can get some in real life. > [@Malacandra](#): > > I get so tired of people with sticks up their anii. HA! 🙂 > [@overlyverbose](#): > > To me it looks creepy because a shaved snatch can make even a 30 year old woman look like she’s 12 if you’re just looking at that part of her anatomy. I agree with **archmichael** : I don’t think that women look underage just because they’re completely shaved, nor do I think that’s usually the reason behind shaving (in mainstream porn). Put a picture of a shaved 30-year-old pussy next to that of a shaved 12-year-old – or even 16-year-old – and I’m pretty sure there would be a noticeable difference. Other things change with age, too, not just the presence of hair. Likewise, I’ve never been with a guy who was completely shaved, but I don’t think it would make me feel like I was blowing a kid. ---
**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/45 "2005-10-15T16:31:38Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > I agree with **archmichael** : I don’t think that women look underage just because they’re completely shaved, nor do I think that’s usually the reason behind shaving (in mainstream porn). Put a picture of a shaved 30-year-old pussy next to that of a shaved 12-year-old – or even 16-year-old – and I’m pretty sure there would be a noticeable difference. Other things change with age, too, not just the presence of hair. Likewise, I’ve never been with a guy who was completely shaved, but I don’t think it would make me feel like I was blowing a kid. Fair enough. The only place I’ve ever seen another woman’s crotch (besides science class and the occasional glance at the gym (and that’s not something you stare at)) is on porn, and most shaved pussies look pretty similar to me. Then again, I usually see that it’s shaved and prefer to look at something else, so I don’t look closely. As a female, I generally prefer looking at porn where the woman has at least a landing strip - I don’t think a lot of hair is attractive, though I know there are fetish sites for that, but some hair seems more attractive and realistic. But I guess that’s the point - porn isn’t realistic. As a TMI - I once shaved myself there, and looking at it creeped me out so much I never did it again. It just looked so…prepubescent, even at 25. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/46 "2005-10-15T16:49:21Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > ??? I was being snarky. What right does any man have to tell other men what to like? ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/47 "2005-10-15T16:59:55Z")
> [@Beware of Doug](#): > > I was being snarky. What right does any man have to tell other men what to like? Guess I should have put qualifiers like ‘most will choose’ or ‘I think many other guys’. Also should have quoted the reply to make it more clear that I was trying to explain a concept to **overlyverbose** , instead of having people misinterpret it as being a sexual fatwa. Snarky enough for ya? ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/48 "2005-10-15T20:13:25Z")
> [@lawoot](#): > > As for RJ, back when he started out he wasn’t quite the beast that he is now. And, as has been stated before, he can put two sentences together better than most in the world of porn. … and I just found out why this is - Ron has bachelor’s degrees in Elementary Education and Theatre, and a Master’s in Special Ed. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/49 "2005-10-16T00:34:13Z")
Check out the hedgehog for yourself: [http://www.ronjeremy-themovie.com/](http://www.ronjeremy-themovie.com/) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/50 "2005-10-16T01:07:21Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Most guys in straight porn, in my limited experience, are at least decent-looking, but not all of them. Ron Jeremy is one of the most successful porn actors out there, and much as he seems charming and funny on talk shows, he’s so hideously ugly with his clothes on that I’d probably choose death over seeing him in all his naked, hairy glory. So straight guys - does it matter to you if the guys in porn are gross-looking? I know you’re not watching in order to see the men’s bodies, but is it a turn-off if the guy is fat and hairy and generally unpleasant to look at? Or does this not matter at all? Ron Jeremy was (objectively) quite athletic and reasonably good looking when he started out. It’s porking up that made him “gross”. John Holmes was about as homely as they come. He was[seriously](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000227EN2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) homely! [Here’s Ron Jeremey & Holmes together.](http://www.stereogum.com/img/ronjeremy_johnholmes.jpg) [Ron Jeremy as Mario](http://thor.mirtna.org/oddities/lookalikes/pics/mario_-_ron_jeremy.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948/51 "2005-10-16T06:22:38Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > Guess I should have put qualifiers like ‘most will choose’ or ‘I think many other guys’. Also should have quoted the reply to make it more clear that I was trying to explain a concept to **overlyverbose** , instead of having people misinterpret it as being a sexual fatwa. > > Snarky enough for ya? Well snarked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-the-straight-boys-about-straight-porn/325948.md?page=2)