# Question for those who enjoyed Jackson's LOTR films **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027 "2014-10-30T16:47:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027/81 "2015-01-20T17:38:56Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > For those who loved (or even liked or mildly enjoyed) Peter Jackson’s LOTR movies: Has the clusterfuck that is his adaptation of The Hobbit ruined your enjoyment of the LOTR movie trilogy? > **[Poisoning the well](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well)** > > Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a type of informal fallacy where adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864). > Poisoning the well can take the form of an (explicit or impl... _“Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a rhetorical device where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, …”_ However, I thought Peter Jackson Hobbit trilogy was fantastic. I especially loved Bilbo, and the backstory of the White Council vs the Necromancer. That was important. Was (for example) the floating battle in the barrels a bit too over the top? Sure. Would we rather have had a half-hour of darkness and silence? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027/82 "2015-01-20T17:45:26Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > In some mildly alternate reality, Guillermo del Toro’s 3+ hour The Hobbit movie is exquisite. Oh gawdno. del Toro would have taken all the light & fun of of what is essential a Kids book and made it too damn dark. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027/83 "2015-01-20T19:35:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Was (for example) the floating battle in the barrels a bit too over the top? Sure. Would we rather have had a half-hour of darkness and silence? False dichotomy. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027/84 "2015-01-20T20:40:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Are you all allowing for the _Hobbit_ movies being made for a younger audience? Okay, we had them almost cooked alive by goblins, almost eaten by spiders, almost savaged by a bear. We had ghosts and city destroying dragons. We’ve had madness, corruption, refugees and treaty debates. It’s not as scattershot as the Phantom Menace, but it still shows they didn’t know which audience they were aiming at. > [@salinqmind](#): > > I simply didn’t get the dwarves…most were cartoonish types with latex noses and bizarre facial hair. I agree, they looked like funny little humans. Dwarfs (capital D) are meant to have different proportions to men and elven, not just smaller size. To me, Gimli was the perfect Dwarf, he was a broad, imposing figure. His legs might be short but he could believably beat any man up. The Hobbit’s dwarves were too short compared to Bilbo, too slender , they looked like children not warriors with the physical strength to go toe-to-toe with people a head taller. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027/85 "2015-01-20T20:54:06Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Are you all allowing for the _Hobbit_ movies being made for a younger audience? This is the issue with fanboys, and it’s why they never like the second series, made years after. They devolve into either\* Comic Book Guy\* “Worst film ever!” or _The Critic_ “It Stinks!”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-those-who-enjoyed-jacksons-lotr-films/703027.md?page=4)