# Question for twickster on the Toronto Maple Leafs **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 7, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305 "2012-12-07T16:03:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/1 "2012-12-07T16:03:10Z")
I pushed [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=674661) off topic (for which I apologize) I was apparently told that insulting the Toronto Maple Leafs constitutes a personal insult. 😕 But I was born and mostly raised in London, Ontario, and I know all about the Leafs and their culture, and have developed certain opinions of them. I realize I was being annoying by directly calling out someone’s user name and nothing else (even though it’s a [huge shiny target](http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/12/for-canadians-the-toronto-maple-leafs-are-the-most-hated-team-in-the-nhl) to any Canadian) so I’ll back off on that. Should I avoid talking about the Leafs in other ways, such as bashing them in hockey threads, or sprinkling my posts with metaphors using the Leafs as an humorous reference to futility (the way people talk about the Cubs or other teams)? Will it be considered a stealth personal insult, or is this akin to making fun of Republicans/Democrats in non-political threads? > [@twickster](#): > > you seem to have a problem with this team, and with Leaffan. I may have a problem with the team - is that bad? I have no opinion of Leaffan at all beyond the user name which jumps out. I really don’t keep track of the various personalities and histories on this board very well. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/2 "2012-12-07T16:30:54Z")
Hmm. **Leaffan** = “Leaf fan.” Huh! Anyway, please continue. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/3 "2012-12-07T16:41:36Z")
Awesome. I can’t wait for the next time someone makes a crack about the vikings, you’ll think the poster ran over my dog. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/4 "2012-12-07T16:54:14Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Awesome. I can’t wait for the next time someone makes a crack about the vikings, you’ll think the poster ran over my dog. I would never say anything bad about the Vikings, I’m just surprised to hear they’re still a team. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/5 "2012-12-07T17:00:11Z")
**twickster** says she’ll check in on this later, but for now maybe I can clear this up for you (he said, tempting the gods). > [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > I was apparently told that insulting the Toronto Maple Leafs constitutes a personal insult. 😕 It’s not a personal insult. Here’s what she said: > [@The Oddest Things Blocked By My Office Internet Filter](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oddest-things-blocked-by-my-office-internet-filter/643204/24): > > **LC Strawhouse** , you seem to have a problem with this team, and with **Leaffan**. > > Knock it off. > > Consider this an official instruction – which I am about to apprise my fellow moderators of. > > Next time it will be a warning. > > **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator The issue here is that this is becoming harassment of **Leaffan**. He posted examples of five other threads where you had posted shortly after he did to bash the Maple Leafs. That probably would have been fine if they were hockey-related threads, but they weren’t. None of them were in The Game Room and only one (two if I am being very charitable) had anything to do with sports at all. For example there’s a thread where **Leaffan** posted about a problem with YouTube videos and your response was: > [@Every single time, Youtube videos restart randomly](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-single-time-youtube-videos-restart-randomly/632453/14): > > Just make it play a Phil Kessel tribute video. I guarantee that even a machine won’t want to sit through it more than once. 😛 And in a thread about the Mars rover you opined as follows: > [@Mars where rover touched down looks ‘Earth-like’: How long before the conspiracy theories start?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mars-where-rover-touched-down-looks-earth-like-how-long-before-the-conspiracy-theories-start/630911/23): > > If it’s a joke, it’s not as funny as Phil Kessel … or the new team in Markham. 😛 If the thread has nothing to do with sports, don’t jab **Leaffan** about the Maple Leafs. Doing it once is no big deal, but it looks like you’ve been doing this excessively. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/6 "2012-12-07T17:10:39Z")
And that’s exactly it. Your posts have nothing to do with the topic. I can take a joke as well as the next guy, but you seem to delight in following me to unrelated threads and trying to be funny; you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/7 "2012-12-07T17:41:48Z")
Well, I thought it was very funny and I’ve never followed you or any other poster. If I happen to see your user name, it sometimes triggers my anti-Leafs reflex developed over years of enduring Harold Ballard and others. Good thing you’re not a Canucks fan or you’d have been hit with some great jokes about rioting. BTW, you forgot to add [this post of mine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15661268&postcount=15) in your list of complaints. I’m still not sure how this is so different from 95% of the random off topic snark on this board, some of which humorously bashes the Cubs, Yankees, Raiders, but whatever… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/8 "2012-12-07T17:49:52Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > If I happen to see your user name, it sometimes triggers my anti-Leafs reflex developed over years of enduring Harold Ballard and others. Control your “reflex.” It’s OK in threads about hockey, but otherwise it can be kind of annoying. All of the examples were from the last couple of months. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/9 "2012-12-07T18:24:46Z")
Thanks for fielding this, **Marley** – I’m having a crazy busy day here and didn’t have time to respond right away. **LC Strawhouse** , as already explained, the problem is not making snide comments about the Leafs, it’s about an obnoxious pattern of doing so when responding to one particular poster in threads that have nothing to do with hockey. > [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > I’m still not sure how this is so different from 95% of the random off topic snark on this board, some of which humorously bashes the Cubs, Yankees, Raiders, but whatever… The difference is that you are responding to one particular poster in threads that have nothing to do with hockey. You are welcome to talk about the Leafs as much as you like (don’t make me live to regret that) in any thread where such commentary is relevant. Other than that, don’t. **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/10 "2012-12-07T20:17:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hmm. **Leaffan** = “Leaf fan.” Huh! I know, right? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/11 "2012-12-07T20:35:22Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I know, right? I always heard it in my head as “Leafian”. No idea why. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/12 "2012-12-07T20:49:06Z")
I thought he liked trees. Seriously. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/13 "2012-12-07T20:50:27Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I always heard it in my head as “Leafian”. No idea why. For me it always sounded like “Chewbacca”, I don’t know why ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/14 "2012-12-07T20:58:33Z")
I heard it as Throatwarbler Mangrove. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/15 "2012-12-07T21:00:50Z")
**twickster** , they’re all picking on me now! Wah, ☹ wah, ☹ wah… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/16 "2012-12-07T21:06:20Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > **twickster** , they’re all picking on me now! Wah, ☹ wah, ☹ wah… Go Pens!!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/17 "2012-12-07T21:12:01Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Well, I thought it was very funny and I’ve never followed you or any other poster. If I happen to see your user name, it sometimes triggers my anti-Leafs reflex … This constitutes stalking. Basically, whenever you see him post you stick in a hockey jab, regardless of the topic of the thread or the relevance of hockey to the topic. That is a no-no. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/18 "2012-12-07T21:24:16Z")
At first glance I thought **kayaker** said, “Go Penis!:D” and I was about to agree with that. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/19 "2012-12-07T22:23:44Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > **twickster** , they’re all picking on me now! Wah, ☹ wah, ☹ wah… I’m a Devil’s fan. No sympathy from me. ---
**Author:** ![jabiru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jabiru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabiru)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305/20 "2012-12-07T22:39:24Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > **twickster** , they’re all picking on me now! Wah, ☹ wah, ☹ wah… I’m in the antipodes and I got the allusion. Does that help? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-twickster-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs/643305.md?page=2)