# Questions about "Diamonds are Forever" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415 "2010-02-10T13:27:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Super\_Kapowzler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Super\_Kapowzler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Kapowzler)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/1 "2010-02-10T13:27:01Z")
1. Poorest editing job for any 007 movie? (Tire from Moon-car enters from screen-right, yet no tire missing on moon-car.) Yes, asshole, I get the Capricorn One-slo-mo dude in the space suit. “Get him off there, that NOT a TOY!” Yes it is, fuckstick. Its a fucken made-up-in-a-garage TOY. 2. The two gay dudes ALREADY HAVE the real diamonds, why then the whole Peter Franks thing? Global market destabilization, my ass. Who thought this shit up? 3. How did they get the dimonds back? Moonraker 6? (and don’t ask about transporting a space shuttle on the back of a 747, fully fueled and somehow able to generate enough lift and thrust to fly away, that is a different movie. Did they leave the keys in it?) And probably the most important question: Bond enters the casino, goes to the craps table, says something along the lines of “7 on the ‘High-Road’ ,”( and some other gibberish…) then, “THE LIMIT ON ALL THE NUMBERS!!!” (Are you shittin’ me?) ITS CRAPS!!! That means lose. Plenty O’Toole says, “Boy you sure know how to play this game!” Or some inane shit. For fuck’s sakes. I mean I woulda bitch-slapped them both. Tobacco-free since 1/25/10 you fuckin’ BITCHES!!! ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/2 "2010-02-10T13:34:31Z")
The pros of DAF outweigh the cons. First, you have the elevator fight between Bond & Franks. Back in the day, that was one of the most intense & brutal scraps ever put on film. Second, third, fourth - infinity, you have a half-dressed Jill St. John. Who needs a plot? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/3 "2010-02-10T14:24:08Z")
> [@Super\_Kapowzler](#): > > 1. The two gay dudes ALREADY HAVE the real diamonds, why then the whole Peter Franks thing? Global market destabilization, my ass. Who thought this shit up? Messrs. Kidd and Wint did not have the real diamonds. I gather that small shipments had been making their way from South Africa to Amsterdam where Miss Case had been stockpiling them for a larger shipment to Las Vegas. And Kidd and Wint’s job was not to smuggle the diamonds, but to kill each link in the chain as they were no longer needed. And the idea of market destabilization had nothing to do with Blofeld’s real use for the diamonds, it was just the level of threat necessary to get Bond assigned to the case. > [@](#): > > 1. How did they get the dimonds back? Moonraker 6? (and don’t ask about transporting a space shuttle on the back of a 747, fully fueled and somehow able to generate enough lift and thrust to fly away, that is a different movie. Did they leave the keys in it?) You can fly a Space Shuttle off the back of the carrier aircraft. It’s unrealistic as presented (no fuel, and you’d need cooperation of the 747 crew) but not completely without precedent. > [@](#): > > And probably the most important question: > Bond enters the casino, goes to the craps table, says something along the lines of “7 on the ‘High-Road’ ,”( and some other gibberish…) then, “THE LIMIT ON ALL THE NUMBERS!!!” (Are you shittin’ me?) ITS CRAPS!!! That means lose. Plenty O’Toole says, “Boy you sure know how to play this game!” Or some inane shit. > For fuck’s sakes. I mean I woulda bitch-slapped them both. Bond wins at games of chance. That’s just the way his world is. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/4 "2010-02-10T15:43:27Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > The pros of DAF outweigh the cons. First, you have the elevator fight between Bond & Franks. Back in the day, that was one of the most intense & brutal scraps ever put on film. Second, third, fourth - infinity, you have a half-dressed Jill St. John. Who needs a plot? Actually, the sleeping car fight scene in _From Russia With Love_ pretty much beats all other Bond fight scenes for brutality up until the stairwell machete fight in _Casino Royale_. (The cold open fight scene with Col. Bouvier in _Thunderball_, the bobsled fight in _On Her Majestsy’s Secret Service_, and Bond’s fight scene with the driver in _You Only Live Twice_ come in close.) Any Jill St. John, while decorative, is definitely in the lower half of Bond girls. She’s almost completely useless, and has a whiny voice to boot. They may have well cast Lucille Ball. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You can fly a Space Shuttle off the back of the carrier aircraft. It’s unrealistic as presented (no fuel, and you’d need cooperation of the 747 crew) but not completely without precedent. You can separate and glide (albeit, not too far) from the back of a [Shuttle Carrier Aircraft](http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-013-DFRC.html), but the Orbiter is unpowered. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Bond wins at games of chance. That’s just the way his world is. Like the way he always wins at baccarat even though it is strictly a game of chance. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/5 "2010-02-10T16:05:29Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Any Jill St. John, while decorative, is definitely in the lower half of Bond girls. She’s almost completely useless, and has a whiny voice to boot. They may have well cast Lucille Ball. Careful, or they’ll move this to Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/6 "2010-02-10T16:12:06Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Careful, or they’ll move this to Great Debates. _shrug_ I can name a half a dozen better Bond girls offhand. And Connery was really showing his age by the time of _Diamonds Are Forever_. Setting the film in _Las Vegas_–hardly an exotic or romantic locale, even by 'Seventies standards–was also a major flaw. Really, the only thing good about the film was the Shirley Bassey-voiced title song. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/7 "2010-02-10T16:15:29Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > Second, third, fourth - infinity, you have a half-dressed Jill St. John. Who needs a plot? Ass cleavage! ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/8 "2010-02-10T16:17:25Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > Second, third, fourth - infinity, you have a half-dressed Jill St. John. Yeah, but she’s wearing pasties in the bed scene. Now the bikini girl in the intro sequence, _she_ gives a flash of genuine nipplage. Possibly the funniest line in any Bond film, and Bond doesn’t deliver it: “I didn’t know dere was a pool down dere.” ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/9 "2010-02-10T17:01:21Z")
Kidd and Wint are a riot: “then there would be no supreezze” ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/10 "2010-02-10T17:21:22Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Bond wins at games of chance. That’s just the way his world is. yep. which is why Casino Royale was so infuriating. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/11 "2010-02-10T17:32:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, asshole, I get the Capricorn One-slo-mo dude in the space suit. “Get him off there, that NOT a TOY!” Yes it is, fuckstick. Its a fucken made-up-in-a-garage TOY. I have to comment on this. Everyone nowadays seems to think that the scene with the astronauts is meant to be a faked moon landing a la _Capricorn One_\* and current conspiracy theory. _This idea did not exist in 1971 when this film came out_. It wasn’t intended to be fooling anyone (even though, for instance, the Paradox Press _Big Book of Conspiracies_ and a great many people on the Internet seem to think so). Nobody was thinking along those lines in 1971. What the guys in the spacesuits are doing is going through the motions for the mission. admittedly, doing this in the big water tank they have for this would be better training, but I’m sure they trained in full suits on dry land. and, besides, it lets Bond crash through the scene. So the “moon buggy” he gets into is supposed to be a functioning piece of NASA equipment they’re learning to use while dressed up in bulky suits. It’s not a toy, but probably grotesquely expensive. None of this saves the movie. DAF has some wonderful stuff in it, along with scenes that make little or no sense and are extremely embarassing. On balance, it’s the least of the Connery Bonds, but still better than most of Roger Moore’s. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/12 "2010-02-10T17:44:26Z")
Everyone says that Kidd and Wint are gay. I’ll have to confess that, while there is nothing in the movie to contradict that interpretation, I don’t see anything in the movie to support it. Just two guys, doing a job they seem to enjoy. Mind you, I’ve been accused of being somewhat clueless in this area, so I may just be missing something. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/13 "2010-02-10T17:50:44Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > Everyone says that Kidd and Wint are gay. I’ll have to confess that, while there is nothing in the movie to contradict that interpretation, I don’t see anything in the movie to support it. Just two guys, doing a job they seem to enjoy. > > Mind you, I’ve been accused of being somewhat clueless in this area, so I may just be missing something. Mr. Wint breaks down in tears after Bond kills Mr. Kidd. Unusual behavior at least if they’re just partners. IIRC, in the book they’re quite clearly described as gay by another character. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/14 "2010-02-10T17:56:25Z")
Cool. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/15 "2010-02-10T17:59:12Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > Kidd and Wint are a riot: > > “then there would be no supreezze” Call me immature, but my favorite part is when Bond shoves the bomb up Kidd’s ass and throws him overboard as he’s screaming “WOOOOO.” The kicker is when Bond says, “Well, he shertainly left with his tail between his legs.” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/16 "2010-02-10T18:00:20Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > Everyone says that Kidd and Wint are gay. I’ll have to confess that, while there is nothing in the movie to contradict that interpretation, I don’t see anything in the movie to support it. After one of their kills, they walk away holding hands. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/17 "2010-02-10T18:07:50Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > After one of their kills, they walk away holding hands. yeah, the second killing in S. Africa - the helicopter pilot also, when bond is stuck in the pipeline with his “pet rat” he comments that one of them smells like a “tart’s hankerchief” - and since we know that it’s Wint’s broken perfume vaporizer that Bond is smelling, you can make all sorts of sociological inferences you like about that. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/18 "2010-02-10T18:17:16Z")
There’s also the scene on the plane where Mr. Kidd says “I must say Miss Case seems quite attractive… for a lady.” ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/19 "2010-02-10T18:29:06Z")
better question: which one was the top? I go for Kidd ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/20 "2010-02-10T19:07:14Z")
They’re both tops. That’s why they went into the assassination business in the first place. To vent some of that sexual frustration. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415.md?page=2)