# Questions about "Diamonds are Forever" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415 "2010-02-10T13:27:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/21 "2010-02-10T19:09:33Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > They’re both tops. That’s why they went into the assassination business in the first place. To vent some of that sexual frustration. So you’re saying they take turns buggering each other then? ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/22 "2010-02-10T19:38:16Z")
Poor editing job also involves when Bond and Tiffany are in the car chase and he drives it on two wheels to go through an alley. one scene he’s driving on the left side wheels, the other is on the right side. No one has mentioned Bambi and Thumper? Jimmy Dean says people are always asking about those two and the answer is he never met them. The scenes were filmed on different days. There is also the scene where Bert Saxby (Bruce Cabot) tries to shoot Willard Whyte (Dean), is shot by the CIA, Saxby tumbles down the hill and when they tell Whyte i it was Saxby who tried to kill him, he says “Tell him he’s fired”. It’s probably “not cannon” but “Never say Never Again” is the least of the Connery Bond films, redeemed only by Bonds line about “it’s against department policy for agents to give personal recommendations” when Fatima Blush demands he writes that she was the best sex partner he ever had. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/23 "2010-02-10T19:45:45Z")
Another bad job of editing was the paragraph of repeated dialogue when the DeBeers guy was telling Bond and M about the air-tight security. so air tight he had to mention it twice. oh, and “Nairobi, South Africa” was particularly bad. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/24 "2010-02-10T19:47:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Poor editing job also involves when Bond and Tiffany are in the car chase and he drives it on two wheels to go through an alley. one scene he’s driving on the left side wheels, the other is on the right side. That’s not poor editing – it’s a brilliant “save”. Nobody noticed when they filmed it that they had the car going into the alley on one side, and exiting on the other side. They couldn’t just “flip the image” left for right, because they the lettering on the signs would be backwards. In some places you could get away with it, but these are BIG BRIGHT Las Vegas signs. People would notice. So you couldn’t edit it away. So they cut to a scene of Bond and Case in the car and have the close-up rotate, suggesting subliminally that they somehow performed a vertical half-rotation, and came out on the other set of wheels. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/25 "2010-02-10T20:02:29Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > What the guys in the spacesuits are doing is going through the motions for the mission. admittedly, doing this in the big water tank they have for this would be better training, but I’m sure they trained in full suits on dry land. and, besides, it lets Bond crash through the scene. Actually, the astronauts did extensive ground training in the A7L pressure suits, especially egress/entry into the LEM and operating the sample collection tools and Lunar Rover, both in an enclosed simulation environments with the suits pressurized to simulate (as best possible without lunar gravity and vacuum) the conditions under which they would be working. Water tank training is only useful for free fall simulation. > [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > It’s probably “not cannon” but “Never say Never Again” is the least of the Connery Bond films, redeemed only by Bonds line about “it’s against department policy for agents to give personal recommendations” when Fatima Blush demands he writes that she was the best sex partner he ever had. _Never Say Never Again_ is a non-Eon low-grade remake of _Thunderball_ by Kevin McClory (who, for complicated legal reasons, owned the rights to the story, SPECTRE, and the character Blofeld). Not only is it not canon, it’s an utterly craptastic movie, even compared to _Octopussy_ which came out the same year (and was probably low point of the Roger Moore films, at least, if one dispenses with _The Man With The Golden Gun_). Kidd and Wint are definitely gay; in the book this is explicit (M mentions how there are many assassin teams who are homosexuals) and their mannerisms and interactions in the film are definitely fey. Tiffany Case is also supposed to be frigid (at least, in the book). BTW, Pussy Galore was also a lesbian (explicit in the book, implied in the film) until Bond converts her with his manhood, or whatever, which was the only thing he actually did right in the film. Personally, I think she was still dyke; she just realized that Goldfinger was completely insane and figured she could play Bond for a get out of jail free card. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/26 "2010-02-10T20:05:17Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Tiffany Case is also supposed to be frigid (at least, in the book). isn’t that because she was gang raped a few times in her life? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/27 "2010-02-10T20:42:22Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > isn’t that because she was gang raped a few times in her life? Just once I think - her mother was into the mob for too much money, so they raped Tiffany (as a teenager?) to punish the mom. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/28 "2010-02-10T21:22:00Z")
The best line in this movie (and maybe all of them) as far as double-entendres go: “I’m Plenty.” “Of course you are.” “Plenty O’Toole.” “Named after your father perhaps?” ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/29 "2010-02-10T21:25:32Z")
I don’t have any info on “Diamonds Are Forever,” but will submit [an earlier thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=256955) on the similarities/differences between the Bond stories and the movies. If you already know, you’re not going to learn anything new, but if you’re like me, who’s never read the stories, it had some interesting info. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Scrivener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@The\_Scrivener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Scrivener)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/30 "2010-02-10T21:30:23Z")
The most egregious scenes in DAF are the casino and Tiffany scenes where Bond’s global fame is established (hello; he’s a secret agent employed by MI6!) and the pool fight in which an over-the-hill Connery makes short work of two athletic young women who, IRL, would have had no problem grabbing Bond by the short hairs and forcing him to let go of their hair. But the elevator fight was awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/31 "2010-02-11T01:12:24Z")
Question #5: what’s Sean Connery doing in a Roger Moore movie? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/32 "2010-02-11T01:19:41Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Not only is it not canon, it’s an utterly craptastic movie, even compared to _Octopussy_ which came out the same year (and was probably low point of the Roger Moore films, at least, if one dispenses with _The Man With The Golden Gun_). But _The Man With the Golden Gun_ had the junk. If I ever win the lottery, I want Scaramanga’s junk. OK, that didn’t come out right… ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415/33 "2010-02-11T01:25:58Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > But _The Man With the Golden Gun_ had the junk. If I ever win the lottery, I want Scaramanga’s junk. > > OK, that didn’t come out right… perhaps you were thinking of Goldmember? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-diamonds-are-forever/528415.md?page=1)