# Questions about Hitler and Nazi Germany's attempted extermination of Europe's Jews **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 18, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168 "2013-09-18T19:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecccb3/32.png) [@Gack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gack)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/361 "2013-09-21T14:17:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In context of the war and the way the Nazis viewed their prisoners it would have been bizarre if they were properly fed. The healthy prisoners appear to be well fed, even at Belsen at the end of the war. See images [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Survivors/Survivor\_08\_01.jpg](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Survivors/Survivor_08_01.jpg) [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Block/ID1450\_BlockUnknown.jpg](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Block/ID1450_BlockUnknown.jpg) [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=18](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=18) These above photos are from a comprehensive set linked earlier. From Dachau … [http://isurvived.org/Pictures\_iSurvived-5/dachau-liberation.GIF](http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-5/dachau-liberation.GIF) Use google/images dachau liberation to see lots of photos. ---
**Author:** ![Gack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecccb3/32.png) [@Gack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gack)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/362 "2013-09-21T14:22:19Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The bodies that were filmed tended to be those who had died of starvation, but whose bodies had not yet been cremated. As has been pointed out several times that the photos/film are from Belsen, not a ‘death camp’ and not even a work camp, and that at the end of the war 35,000 prisoners died of typhus. USHMM documentation was supplied. The photos/film were made by the Brits at the end of the war and show typhus victims. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/363 "2013-09-21T14:24:17Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > The healthy prisoners appear to be well fed, even at Belsen at the end of the war. See images > > [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Survivors/Survivor\_08\_01.jpg](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Survivors/Survivor_08_01.jpg) > > [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Block/ID1450\_BlockUnknown.jpg](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Block/ID1450_BlockUnknown.jpg) > > [http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=18](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=18) > > These above photos are from a comprehensive set linked earlier. > > From Dachau … > > [http://isurvived.org/Pictures\_iSurvived-5/dachau-liberation.GIF](http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-5/dachau-liberation.GIF) > > Use google/images dachau liberation to see lots of photos. Some of those pictures are not of well-fed people. But even if some are, what does this prove? That some prisoners got enough to eat? That does nothing to discount the mountains of proof of mass starvation in the camps. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/364 "2013-09-21T14:27:10Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > As has been pointed out several times that the photos/film are from Belsen, not a ‘death camp’ and not even a work camp, and that at the end of the war 35,000 prisoners died of typhus. USHMM documentation was supplied. The photos/film were made by the Brits at the end of the war and show typhus victims. Whether or not some prisoners died of typhus does nothing to discount the enormous amount of evidence of others that were murdered and starved. You fail, again and again. You offer nothing new- nothing that has not been debunked time and time again. You peck at the edges, and even those pecks are laughable. Whether or not some people lied, and whether or not some prisoners were not starved and not murdered, there are confessions, eyewitness accounts (which you have pointedly ignored), and physical evidence by the truckload. You are deceived- and it seems pretty likely that you want to be deceived. What if it’s true- what if the accounts of my great grandfather, and the relatives of so many others here, are actually true? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/365 "2013-09-21T14:32:17Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > As has been pointed out several times that the photos/film are from Belsen, not a ‘death camp’ and not even a work camp, and that at the end of the war 35,000 prisoners died of typhus. USHMM documentation was supplied. The photos/film were made by the Brits at the end of the war and show typhus victims. You have yet to answer the question: Why did the nazis put Jews et al in camps? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/366 "2013-09-21T14:34:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Some of those pictures are not of well-fed people. But even if some are, what does this prove? That some prisoners got enough to eat? That does nothing to discount the mountains of proof of mass starvation in other camps. On top of that what Gack is doing is to ignore that by the end of the war several camp inmates were recent or new arrivals. In fact it is clear to me that in a few pictures they did not had yet the uniforms that they would had gotten soon if they had not been lucky to be liberated then. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/367 "2013-09-21T15:10:14Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > As has been pointed out several times that the photos/film are from Belsen, not a ‘death camp’ and not even a work camp, and that at the end of the war 35,000 prisoners died of typhus. USHMM documentation was supplied. The photos/film were made by the Brits at the end of the war and show typhus victims. Why do you think the Nazis put the Jews(and others) in those camps? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/368 "2013-09-21T15:12:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you think the Nazis put the Jews(and others) in those camps? A fate worse than death - mass macramé ! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/369 "2013-09-21T15:20:15Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > Now, I’ll make the same suggestion to you as I made to the trombone player, find a better Jewish witness, not someone on trial for their life, and let’s examine their testimony. If there are 1000s you should have no trouble finding one credible Jewish witness. Of course, that’s a special kind of bullshit - the only surviving witnesses of mass exterminations are going to be SS, Einsatz scum. But post-VE day, any SS, Einsatz-scum is going to be on trial for their lives, on account of having murdered semi-random innocents by the fucking traincar-load. Ergo, none of their testimony is valid. Ergo, no Holocaust ! I would furthermore assume Jewish survivors’ testimony would be invalid on two counts, first for being filthy lying Jew scum, and second for having survived ergo there must not have been any system whatsoever in place to murder them ? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/370 "2013-09-21T15:24:19Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Let’s say, for just a second, that you’re right (however stupid the theory is) > > Who benefits from making those groovy Nazis into villains? What is/was the motive? What’s the payoff for the biggest cover-up in human history? What’s the _point_ of this “Holohoax” (to use the term you’re tip-toeing around)? > > And for that matter, who’s behind it? “International bankers”? The Gnomes of Zurich? > > Who benefits from this? Well that’s obvious, and has been obvious, and will remain obvious until people wisen up. What people has, from time immemorial, benefitted from international friendship AND international stife ? What pond filth, what utter scum has always been at the heart of every conspiracy ? Who benefits from yet another crime ? I’ll tell you who. The _French_. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/371 "2013-09-21T15:55:29Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well that’s obvious, and has been obvious, and will remain obvious until people wisen up. What people has, from time immemorial, benefitted from international friendship AND international stife ? What pond filth, what utter scum has always been at the heart of every conspiracy ? Who benefits from yet another crime ? I’ll tell you who. > The _French_. Here I was expecting ‘Blame Canada’. ---
**Author:** ![Gack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecccb3/32.png) [@Gack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gack)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/372 "2013-09-21T16:02:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you think the Nazis put the Jews(and others) in those camps? There is no mystery here, the Jews were put in camps because it was Hitler’s intention to move them all out of Europe. First he encouraged Jewish immigration, but when that was not getting the job done the decision was made to round them up and ship them east. Some of the organizational details of this plan are given in the minutes taken at the Wannsee conference. When the Nazis started losing the war in the east the plan became unworkable and the Jews became stranded in camps. There were some 42,000 Jewish ghettos and Nazi camps where the Nazis effectively imprisoned the Jews > **[The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking (Published 2013)](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)** > > The Germans had vastly more work camps and ghettos than anyone knew. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/373 "2013-09-21T16:06:25Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > The history - in 1906 there was an article in the NYT about a ‘systematic and murderous extermination’ of six million Jews that was currently in progress … > > [http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2010/01/ny-times-reports-in-1906-that-russias.html](http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2010/01/ny-times-reports-in-1906-that-russias.html) OK, so an article from 1906 mentions that “Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews” are in extreme danger, and that a certain Dr. Paul Nathan fears “renewed massacres exceeding in extent and terror all that have gone before.” And then more than a decade later, in the wake of WWI, another article mentions that six million Jew are lacking for bread, and risk death by starvation. Is that it? Between 1906 and WWII, a period of more than thirty years, the entirety of a global Jewish misinformation campaign preparing the way for the greatest hoax in history, was a measly _two articles_, published more than a decade apart…? I would also like to know why you think that the specific number “six million” was chosen in the first place. Why not three, or four, or ten, or twenty? I couldn’t help but notice that your first link - to the 1906 article - includes a link to [yet another article](http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.dk/2009/09/kabalistic-occult-origins-and-purpose.html), named “The Kabalistic-Occult origins and purpose of the Holocaust™ dogma, and the 6 million number.” Is this what you believe? That the number was chosen because of its supposed “Kabalistic-Occult” origin? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/374 "2013-09-21T16:07:49Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Here I was expecting ‘Blame Canada’. What, ya never heard of French Canadians? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/375 "2013-09-21T16:13:31Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Here I was expecting ‘Blame Canada’. It gets deeper than that. Wheels within plans. Vive le Québec libre. Oh yes. Open your eyes, then open them again. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/376 "2013-09-21T16:24:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It gets deeper than that. Wheels within plans. Vive le Québec libre. Oh yes. Open your eyes, then open them again. And with all their hockey hullabaloo and that bitch Anne Murray\* too… \*Yes she even did French duets, wake up people! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/377 "2013-09-21T16:28:28Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > There is no mystery here, the Jews were put in camps because it was Hitler’s intention to move them all out of Europe. First he encouraged Jewish immigration, but when that was not getting the job done the decision was made to round them up and ship them east. That’s an interesting claim, when the Nazi plan was to starve most of the people in the East to death. It also raises the fascinating question as to why, when they found Jews in the East, they shipped then westward into camps or simply murdered them. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/378 "2013-09-21T16:30:04Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > There is no mystery here Yes, we’ve all figured you out. You are fooling nobody. Oh, and you’re also factually incorrect. (Who’d a thunk it?) [ > [@](#): > > During the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, mobile killing squads (Einsatzgruppen) began killing entire Jewish communities. The methods used, mainly shooting or gas vans, were soon regarded as inefficient and as a psychological burden on the killers. > > After the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, the Nazis began the systematic deportation of Jews from all over Europe to six extermination camps established in former Polish territory – Chelmno , Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Majdanek. Extermination camps were killing centers designed to carry out genocide. About three million Jews were gassed in extermination camps. > > In its entirety, the “Final Solution” consisted of gassings, shootings, random acts of terror, disease, and starvation that accounted for the deaths of about six million Jews – two-thirds of European Jewry. ]([Holocaust Encyclopedia | United States Holocaust Memorial Museum](http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007704)) [ > [@](#): > > The Nazi principle of killing as a therapeutic imperative is evident in the words of the Auschwitz S.S. doctor Fritz Klein. Klein was asked by an inmate how he could reconcile Auschwitz’s smoking chimneys with his purported fealty to the physician’s Hippocratic oath, which requires the preservation of life. ‘‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life,’’ replied Klein. ‘‘And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.’’ ]([http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/21/magazine/german-doctors-and-the-final-solution.html](http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/21/magazine/german-doctors-and-the-final-solution.html)) ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/379 "2013-09-21T16:32:01Z")
So I watched [this film](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill:_The_Hollywood_Years) and turns out none of it’s true, I guess WW2 didn’t happen! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168/380 "2013-09-21T16:36:34Z")
> [@Gack](#): > > First he encouraged Jewish immigration “Encouraged”. _Riiiight_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-about-hitler-and-nazi-germanys-attempted-extermination-of-europes-jews/669168.md?page=20)