# Questions for Straight Men about Vagina **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 20, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393 "2010-07-20T21:28:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/81 "2010-07-21T21:39:19Z")
_1. Why is a woman in her natural form less beautiful than a shaved, manicured form?_ The idea never occurred to me, and I don’t care. \* 2. If your girlfriend/wife stopped shaving her armpit and vaginal area, would you be OK with that? Would it ever been an issue that could potentially collapse a relationship?\* See above. My wife shaves her armpits (and legs), but nothing else. If she took it into her head to shave anywhere else, I wouldn’t care. I can’t imagine breaking up over that, but like I said, I don’t care either way, so I am not probably the best person to ask. _3. In your experience, does the vagina have odors that are similar but distinct among ethnic groups? (e.g. Does a black vagina smell different from a white pussy and does that smell different from an asian pussy or indian vagina, etc etc)_ Don’t know. _4. Does the vagina remain relatively taut post-pregnancy? Post-menopausal? Have you ever been able to just not reach climax due to vaginal looseness?_ I don’t know about pregnancy. Post-menopausal, I haven’t noticed any difference. Looseness has never been an issue. \*5. Does the consistency of a woman’s “climax” during orgasm ever drench a man’s penis similar to how the Japanese depict? \* There’s generally a wet spot. Is that what you mean? Don’t know what the Japanese think about it. on preview - > [@billfish678](#): > > It usually involves lots of smoke, shorting power lines, explosions, and a giant lizard thingy stomping around town… Come to think of it, that does sound like sex with my wife. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/82 "2010-07-21T21:46:53Z")
> [@carnut](#): > > It is interesting that so many men prefer women who remove their natural, adult body hair. I’m somewhat uncomfortable with this because removing that hair makes women look more like children. Or, at least that is one of the subtexts I see. No, it makes them look like women instead of cavemen. I don’t associate body hair with adults, i associate it with males. No idea where your subtext is coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/83 "2010-07-21T21:56:27Z")
From actual biology instead of artificial porn reality. Genital hairlessness is not feminine, it’s prepubescent. Shaving doesn’t make women look like women, it makes them look like little girls. ---
**Author:** ![gallan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ee59a6/32.png) [@gallan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/84 "2010-07-21T22:15:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > From actual biology instead of artificial porn reality. Genital hairlessness is not feminine, it’s prepubescent. Shaving doesn’t make women look like women, it makes them look like little girls. You know, body odor is also “actual biology” and yet society demands that we apply deoderant to cover it up. Deoderant is purely cosmetic. It exists solely for us to be more attractive (or less offensive) to others. It provides no health benefits, and in fact has been shown to occassionally cause healthy problems. When I stand next to someone who doesn’t smell like BO, I don’t think, “Wow, that person smells like a toddler.” Likewise, I have been with many women who shave their pubic hair and not one of them could be mistaken for a “little girl” under _any_ circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/85 "2010-07-21T22:17:11Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > From actual biology instead of artificial porn reality. Genital hairlessness is not feminine, it’s prepubescent. Shaving doesn’t make women look like women, it makes them look like little girls. No it doesn’t. Shaven grown-woman snatch does not look like little girl snatch. If you don’t like it then that’s your prerogative, but stop trying to paint those who disagree as closet paedophiles. As well say that beardless men look like little boys. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/86 "2010-07-21T22:31:49Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > No it doesn’t. Shaven grown-woman snatch does not look like little girl snatch. If you don’t like it then that’s your prerogative, but stop trying to paint those who disagree as closet paedophiles. > > As well say that beardless men look like little boys. :rolleyes: I agree. I’ve always found the ‘shaved adult pussies look like children’s’ argument ridiculous (and I was au natural for many years). IMO my shaved vulva is sexier because you can clearly see everything that makes it different from a child’s genitals. Plus it’s a more pleasant oral experience for my partner and for me (clearer access, less friction and tugging, and no stopping and starting because he’s choking on a hair!). I feel the exact same way about men’s facial hair. To me men are handsomer when I can see their manly features unobstructed by bushy long hairs (men’s jawlines, chins and mouths are some of my favorite sights in this world). Plus shaved men are neater-looking, easier to keep clean and clean-smelling, and much more pleasant to make out with. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/87 "2010-07-21T22:54:37Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > There’s that, but people lost their shit over the word “should.” If they were going to lose their shit at all, it should (there goes that word again!) have been over the analogy not being entirely apt. Lady space maintenance should have been likened, perhaps, to upkeep such as wearing make up or keeping your split ends in check, and not showering. I don’t disagree with that. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/88 "2010-07-21T22:58:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > From actual biology instead of artificial porn reality. Genital hairlessness is not feminine, it’s prepubescent. Shaving doesn’t make women look like women, it makes them look like little girls. Must you trot out this bullshit every time? You are wrong, you continue to be wrong, you likely will always be wrong, on this issue at least. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/89 "2010-07-21T23:31:43Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > No it doesn’t. Shaven grown-woman snatch does not look like little girl snatch. If you don’t like it then that’s your prerogative, but stop trying to paint those who disagree as closet paedophiles. I didn’t say that, but it’s false and unnatural to say that body hair isn’t _feminine_. Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/90 "2010-07-21T23:33:35Z")
> [@gallan](#): > > Maybe you’re not getting it because you see my copious attempts to explain myself as “backpedaling.” In other words, you have already solidified your opinion of me and anything I say that runs counter to that opinion is immediately dismissed. Would you feel better if I submitted to your vision? Actually, it’s the fact that your answers seemed (to me) to dance around the point a bit to great length. Like that one I asked you that was a yes or no question and yet your lengthy response didn’t even seem to answer it to me. It’s entirely possible we’re mis-communicating here, but I have to admit, some of your responses seemed to me to be backpedaling a little. That’s just my interpretation, though, and like I said, I take you at your word. I really just want to drop this already. Preferably without additional sarcasm. > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Absolutely no snark intended: Modify their bodies? That makes it sound like women are forced to get implants. Shaving/trimming/makeup/etc is not modifying your body any more than getting a haircut is. Using the word modifying takes this to another level (a silly one IMHO) and almost demands offense to be taken. I guess we’re defining “modify” differently here, because I do consider a haircut to be a modification. Maybe there’s a word I’m not thinking of that means a lesser change to one’s natural appearance. What would you call it? > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > There’s that, but people lost their shit over the word “should.” If they were going to lose their shit at all, it should (there goes that word again!) have been over the analogy not being entirely apt. Lady space maintenance should have been likened, perhaps, to upkeep such as wearing make up or keeping your split ends in check, and not showering. I was kind of using my discussion of his use of “should” as a shorthand for all of that, which I apologize for. It is indeed his analogy that bothered me and I should have made that clear. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/91 "2010-07-21T23:34:46Z")
> [@gallan](#): > > You know, body odor is also “actual biology” and yet society demands that we apply deoderant to cover it up. Deoderant is purely cosmetic. It exists solely for us to be more attractive (or less offensive) to others. It provides no health benefits, and in fact has been shown to occassionally cause healthy problems. When I stand next to someone who doesn’t smell like BO, I don’t think, “Wow, that person smells like a toddler.” Likewise, I have been with many women who shave their pubic hair and not one of them could be mistaken for a “little girl” under _any_ circumstances. It’s spelled _deodorant_, and body odor is not speficic to age, so it’s a stupid comparison. Body hair signifies sexual maturity, body odor does not. Saying that body hair isn’t femine is like saying devoloped breasts aren’t feminine. It’s asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/92 "2010-07-21T23:37:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Must you trot out this bullshit every time? You are wrong, you continue to be wrong, you likely will always be wrong, on this issue at least. What am I wrong about? Do you live in an alternate universe where body hair is not a sign of sexual maturity, or where only males devolop it? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/93 "2010-07-21T23:44:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > From actual biology instead of artificial porn reality. Genital hairlessness is not feminine, it’s prepubescent. Shaving doesn’t make women look like women, it makes them look like little girls. Do women shave their legs to look like little girls also? No, they shave their legs because smooth legs are sexy and feminine, their pussy is no different. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/94 "2010-07-21T23:50:32Z")
I like girl hairs. I freely admit it’s a preference, a matter of taste. For me it’s not precisely that absence of pubic hairs is prepubescent-looking, but that the presence _of_ them is a sexual signifier. When they are gone, it’s as visually disconcerting as if she’d had her breasts removed. I like that dark triangle. It belongs to be there. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/95 "2010-07-22T00:52:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Do women shave their legs to look like little girls also? No, they shave their legs because smooth legs are sexy and feminine, their pussy is no different. No. Pubic hair is a primary indicator of sexual maturity in women. There’s nothing “unfeminine” about it. Shaved pubic areas are not natural looks for adult women, and it’s false to say that primary female sex characteristics aren’t feminine. Of course they are. Pubic hair is as feminine as developed breasts. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/96 "2010-07-22T00:56:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No. Pubic hair is a primary indicator of sexual maturity in women. I thought it was a signed and notarized affadavit from GOD that they were over 21. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/97 "2010-07-22T00:59:51Z")
Sexual maturity is not the same as emotional maturity. I never said 21 anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/98 "2010-07-22T00:59:54Z")
Oh goody, Dio is adamantly defending a stupid-ass position. Again. Dio, peruse this: [Feminine Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminine) “Feminine” can mean “pertaining to women.” So it can encompass culture as well as biology. One can say that a man that rides a horse side-saddle is acting feminine, even though there is nothing about what he is doing that relates to a female biologically. Therefore, it’s OK to say that a woman may shave her beav to appear more feminine. Because traditionally some women shave their nethers while very few men do. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/99 "2010-07-22T01:01:44Z")
It is false to say that female pubic hair is not feminine. It is not possible to defend that statement, and the sentiment itself is dehumanizing and bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/100 "2010-07-22T01:03:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It is false to say that female pubic hair is not feminine. It is not possible to defend that statement, and the sentiment itself is dehumanizing and bizarre. To a certain degree I think that you could debate that femininity is in the eye of the beholder. Some people would argue that short hair on women isn’t feminine. I don’t agree, but I think people have a right to determine what qualities they consider to be feminine. You’re trying to make a blanket statement for everyone and you really don’t get to do that in reality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393.md?page=6)