# Questions for Straight Men about Vagina **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 20, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393 "2010-07-20T21:28:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/101 "2010-07-22T01:04:42Z")
Dig in, Dio, dig in. Did you read the link I posted? Care to provide a definition of “feminine” for us? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/102 "2010-07-22T01:08:58Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > To a certain degree I think that you could debate that femininity is in the eye of the beholder. Some people would argue that short hair on women isn’t feminine. I don’t agree, but I think people have a right to determine what qualities they consider to be feminine. No, this one is just factually, biologically false. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/103 "2010-07-22T01:11:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Dig in, Dio, dig in. > > Did you read the link I posted? Care to provide a definition of “feminine” for us? “Characteristic of females.” Since when are shaved vaginas even a cultural norm? That’s a kink, not a norm. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/104 "2010-07-22T01:11:56Z")
Dio, the word “feminine” just means “pertaining to women.” So, wearing makeup is “feminine,” even thought it has nothing to do with biology. In the same manner, shaving the one’s pubic area can also be described as “feminine” (because it is something that pertains to women). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/105 "2010-07-22T01:14:00Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > “Characteristic of females.” > > Since when are shaved vaginas even a cultural norm? That’s a kink, not a norm. I never said that shaved vaginae are a cultural norm. I just said that it is common for women to shave their pubic regions and uncommon for men to do so. Which is why the practice can be described as “feminine.” And why you are wrong, yet again, but you’ll keep going. I’m just here to make sure everyone knows exactly why you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![gallan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ee59a6/32.png) [@gallan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/106 "2010-07-22T01:18:43Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s spelled _deodorant_, and body odor is not speficic to age, so it’s a stupid comparison. Right, that’s why the baby aisle at the store is filled with infant and toddler _deodorants_. Have you ever met a toddler that wore deodorant? Have you ever met one that _needed_ to wear deodorant? For most people, body odor doesn’t become a problem until puberty starts. This is common knowledge (or at least I thought it was). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/107 "2010-07-22T01:20:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Dio, the word “feminine” just means “pertaining to women.” So, wearing makeup is “feminine,” even thought it has nothing to do with biology. In the same manner, shaving the one’s pubic area can also be described as “feminine” (because it is something that pertains to women). Female sex characteristics are something that “pertain to women,” so under your definition (which is slightly less coherent than mine) you would have to agree that it’s false and inaccurate to say that female pubic hair is NOT feminine, would you not? That is the statement I object to – the statement that bush is NOT feminine. Of course it is, by your own definition. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/108 "2010-07-22T01:21:58Z")
Cite that it’s “common” for women to shave their pubic areas? Since when. What percentage of all women do you think do that? I’m betting it’s less than one percent. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/109 "2010-07-22T01:24:02Z")
> [@gallan](#): > > Right, that’s why the baby aisle at the store is filled with infant and toddler _deodorants_. Have you ever met a toddler that wore deodorant? Have you ever met one that _needed_ to wear deodorant? For most people, body odor doesn’t become a problem until puberty starts. This is common knowledge (or at least I thought it was). Toddlers aren’t in the work place and looking for sex partners. That doesn’t mean they don’t have body odors. I assure you that they do. ---
**Author:** ![gallan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ee59a6/32.png) [@gallan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/110 "2010-07-22T01:29:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Toddlers aren’t in the work place and looking for sex partners. That doesn’t mean they don’t have body odors. I assure you that they do. I **have** a toddler and I assure you, he doesn’t. On very rare occasions his feet will smell when they’ve been in shoes all day, but I have never once in his two-and-a-half years of life smelled anything from him that I would identify as body odor, and certainly nothing as offensive as what I’ve smelled from teenagers. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Cite that it’s “common” for women to shave their pubic areas? Since when. What percentage of all women do you think do that? I’m betting it’s less than one percent. This argument is based on the fact that nobody will be able to produce any significant statistics on the subject. I’m betting it’s 99%. Prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/111 "2010-07-22T01:33:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Female sex characteristics are something that “pertain to women,” so under your definition (which is slightly less coherent than mine) you would have to agree that it’s false and inaccurate to say that female pubic hair is NOT feminine, would you not? That is the statement I object to – the statement that bush is NOT feminine. Of course it is, by your own definition. Dio, please show how stupid the above post is in the following simple steps: 1. Stand up. 2. Pull the front of your grease-stained gym shorts away from your body. 3. Look down. 4. If you see only skin, then suck in your gut or move it to the side while bending over some and still looking down. 5. See that stuff growing above your weenus? What is that? What do you call it? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/112 "2010-07-22T01:36:55Z")
> [@gallan](#): > > I **have** a toddler and I assure you, he doesn’t. I have three, and I assure you that he does. ---
**Author:** ![gallan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ee59a6/32.png) [@gallan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/113 "2010-07-22T01:46:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I have three, and I assure you that he does. Are you honestly trying to convince me that the scent of your children is so great that they smell just as bad as a deodorant-less teenager? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/114 "2010-07-22T01:50:38Z")
> [@gallan](#): > > Right, that’s why the baby aisle at the store is filled with infant and toddler _deodorants_. Have you ever met a toddler that wore deodorant? Have you ever met one that _needed_ to wear deodorant?\ Shh - don’t let the marketing people hear you. This is a “manufactured demand” just waiting to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/115 "2010-07-22T01:51:17Z")
I don’t know. I haven’t tried to smell any teenagers lately. Maybe the underarm odor isn’t there, but they can get pretty ripe if they’ve been playing in the yard. I don’t even know what your point is anyway. If you’re saying that underarm odor is an adult female characteristic, then you’re saying it’s a feminine characteristic. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/116 "2010-07-22T01:51:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No, this one is just factually, biologically false. So you are stating that pubic hair is feminine. You have pubic hair. Are you feminine? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/117 "2010-07-22T01:55:12Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > So you are stating that pubic hair is feminine. You have pubic hair. Are you feminine? Pubic hair is both feminine and masculine. Do you _deny_ that it is feminine? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/118 "2010-07-22T01:56:00Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Pubic hair is as feminine as developed breasts. Well yeah, until you dig around and find a cock and balls in it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/119 "2010-07-22T02:01:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Pubic hair is both feminine and masculine. Do you _deny_ that it is feminine? By definition, a thing cannot be categorized as both masculine and feminine. If it is common to both sexes, it is gender-neutral. If it has components of both sexes, it is mixed-gender. But nothing in itself can be both masculine and feminine. The presence of pubic hair doesn’t tell you anything about masculinity or femininity, just sexual maturity. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393/120 "2010-07-22T02:02:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Pubic hair is both feminine and masculine. Do you _deny_ that it is feminine? Personally I _deny_ (what’s with the italics?) that hair is feminine OR masculine. It’s just hair. Armpit hair is just hair. Leg hair is just hair. Hair on your head is, yes you guessed it, just hair. As human beings we all have hair in varying degrees. I don’t assign masculinity or femininity to something that both sexes have. To me it’s pretty silly to say that shaved pubic region = child like. If that’s so you’d have to say the same for the other hair that comes on around the time of puberty for most women which is leg hair and armpit hair. If your wife shaves her pits does that make you think of a little girl? It seems to me that you’re wanting to make something pretty benign into something fairly controversial and I can’t imagine what would motivate you to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-straight-men-about-vagina/547393.md?page=7)