The existence of God is at least ‘suggested’ by a number of factors. The existence of an invisible 6 foot rabbit is not.
Name one thing that suggests the existence of your sky god.
The man who believes in the 6 foot rabbit would say the same thing. In none of my examples is it necessary to think that the person was intentionally lying. Self-deceit is a powerful force and not one that we have control over.
If I went around the world, talking to random people, I would meet people who believed themselves to have a plenty of evidence for a variety of gods, mystical creatures, spirits, aliens, and magical spells. I would believe that nearly all of these people believed themselves, regardless of how obviously fictional it may be. Like I said, people have a powerful ability for self-deceit. They focus on “God”, ignoring that the arguments they use work just as well for Thor or Set. They ignore that the personal feeling of a religious experience is shared by people of other religions – including religions who worship aliens. They ignore that they’re subconsciously fiddling with definitions to make sure that what they believe in is always just beyond provability.
I don’t think they’re being bad or nefarious. Whole populations of billions of people do it, for all sorts of beliefs. “God” didn’t even come around until after several thousand years of beliefs in thousands of other deities. And I’m sure that for all of that time, in all the corners of the Earth, everyone was quite honest about those beliefs.
But good and honest intentions aren’t proof. If the thing that you’re hypothesizing the existence of just happens to be unprovable, I’m not going to give a lot of credence to the idea. And if I can then go and look through history and watch the development of Yahweh from a minor storm deity among a pantheon to what we see today, where all historical information surrounding the “revelation” of the existence of that deity as recorded in the Bible doesn’t match archaeology, and the movement to monotheism happened concurrently with the spread of monotheistic thought from India (I believe it was) at just the time that the Old Testament was written, I’m happy enough to say that it’s a load of crap.
Your average human consumes about 100 watts of power a day, if I recall correctly. That power comes from food, which itself gets it energy from other food or from the Sun. If you follow the chain of power from food to food, eventually you always end up at he Sun: It powers all life on the Earth.
Life would prosper by being in sunlight all the time. That would be closer to perfection. This could be accomplished by stretching the Earth into a hollow sphere or a ring that encircles the Sun, with humanity living on the inside. Of course, a shape like that would require direct intervention by a powerful being, rather than a shape that can be formed by the random floating about of particles. Why did God decide to give us half as much potential as he could have?
You said it right there, when you deny that God is made of anything we have any evidence actually exists or know anything about. Unless you want to claim the government has secret stocks of supernaturalium.
No, you are NOT separate from it; you affect it in innumerable ways just by being near it, much less by touching it.
How about: it’s made of spaghetti?
Since you’re not saying anything about the design or about the designer, this is less than persuasive.
If God is made of something we don’t understand,and is supernatural, he would still need a place that was there in existence before Him, so then the question comes up: Who created the space? If God was not in existence then one could say’“God doesn’t exist”. Existence must be the first order of anything.
There is no human that doesn’t (or didn’t) rely on the word, writings, or beliefs, of another human, or manufacture them out of their own mind. Belief is not fact. so it all depends on what human thought ,writing, or teaching of some human. Because some human said God said something or told them to write ,or teach something is belief in the human not God!
The existence of evil…and our recognition of it.
What you are hypothesizing is how you read an historical development of man’s impression of God. Your history is incomplete, and your logic is flawed. Man’s impression of God or gods does not define God.
That’s a silly claim. It doesn’t take gods to commit or recognize evil. Nor is religion useful as a moral guide.
And when would we rest?
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You said it right there, when you deny that God is made of anything we have any evidence actually exists or know anything about. Unless you want to claim the government has secret stocks of supernaturalium.
You are confusing three things:
1> Understand.
2> Evidence.
3> Know anything about.
These are three different things.
We do not fully understand GGod, but we understand some things about Him.
We do have evidence for God.
We do know some things about God.
Whenever it was convenient I would assume. Plenty of animals sleep during the day. Ever had a cat?
No, you are NOT separate from it; you affect it in innumerable ways just by being near it, much less by touching it.
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Of course I am seperate from it. I am physically a different state. You claim God cannot interact with the universe because He is seperate from it. Support this with argument.
No, we don’t. There’s no evidence for gods of any kind, so there’s nothing for us to look at about gods to understand them.
No, we don’t. And saying that we do over and over doesn’t make it true.
We know he doesn’t exist. Everything else is just made up.
1> We observe objective morailty.
2> Humanity is incapableo f developing an objectve moral code.
3> The objective moral law we observe has come from outside of humanity.
We ‘know’ He doesn’t exist?
Surely you understand the illogic of this statement?
Saying there is no evidence over and over again doesn;t make it so.
Many actually, and most sleep alll the time! But I said ‘we’, meaning humans. We need sleep, and we sleep best in darkness.
Resting is sub-optimal. It’s an adaptation due to the state of the world. It’s more efficient on a world like ours to specialize as a day or night creature and rest during the off-time. On a planet with a constant light source, we wouldn’t have evolved this way.
And of course, that’s if we’re talking about evolution. For a reasoned, goal-oriented creator, adding in random stuff like night, free-floating continents, molten planetary cores, etc. are all needless waste.
Nothing illogical about it at all. I know gods don’t exist for the same reason that I know Sauron and the Wicked Witch of the West don’t exist; they are fictional characters who violate the laws of physics and have zero evidence for their reality. I find believers in God to be just as silly as someone going around claiming to be a real Jedi Knight with Force powers.
What would this “observable objective morality” be? Assuming that there is an objective moral code, it certainly doesn’t come from any gods; if it did, it wouldn’t be “objective”. Nor (again assuming such a code exists) is there any reason to assume we couldn’t discover it on our own just as we’ve discovered all sorts of other objective facts.
Nor does religion make people more moral; rather the opposite, religion is a powerful source of amorality and evil. The first rule of moral progress (or any other kind) is to throw out religion.