# Quillette: the thinking racist's magazine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636 "2019-06-17T07:53:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/21 "2019-06-17T13:21:58Z")
The faux-intellectual bigots need a safe space. I don’t know that much about Quillette, but perhaps it is the safe space for these silly but self-important people. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/22 "2019-06-17T13:29:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > At most, this is wild hypothesizing (and it appears to be based on an incorrect understanding of the facts, if you think there was a single “small band” who settled Asia, rather than a choppy and rather chaotic flow in and out of that and other regions between various populations, including to and from Africa). [https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years) > [@](#): > > In another paper, a team led by population geneticist David Reich of Harvard University comes to a similar conclusion after examining 300 genomes from 142 populations. “The take-home message is that modern human people today outside of Africa are descended from a single founding population almost completely,” Reich says. There are dissenters who believe it happened more as you describe. But my narrative can hardly be dismissed out of hand as “an incorrect understanding of the facts”. And as noted upthread, unlike sub-Saharan Africans, two percent of our DNA comes from _literally an actual different species of primate._ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/23 "2019-06-17T13:40:54Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years) > > There are dissenters who believe it happened more as you describe. But my narrative can hardly be dismissed out of hand as “an incorrect understanding of the facts”. It wasn’t a single group that left Africa – Reich even says “The most recent migration “explains more than 90% of the ancestry of living people.”” in that link. Even if he’s right (and I’m rather skeptical), that leaves tons of genes contributed by others. It also ignores the vast and heavily populated “border” areas – Mediterranean populations; South and Western Asian populations; island populations; etc. None of those populations, with literally billions of people, can possibly be described as descending from a single small group alone. At most, perhaps what he’s saying is partially accurate in a very superficial and broad sense. But the details are much, much more complicated (and enigmatic). Of course, even if he were 100% accurate, this provides absolutely no evidence in favor of your pseudo-scientific assertions about intelligence. > [@](#): > > And as noted upthread, unlike sub-Saharan Africans, two percent of our DNA comes from _literally an actual different species of primate._ No surprise at the “us” and “them” implication in this sentence. You just can’t help yourself, but it still comes out in your writing. I don’t think you’re actively hateful, but you just ooze with the certainty that you are part of some special, blessed group of humans, and bear condescension, and perhaps even unconscious contempt, for black people. Until you actually take a good long look at yourself and actively try to cut out the bigotry like a tumor within you, you’ll be a bigot for the rest of your life. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/24 "2019-06-17T13:49:11Z")
When one group (Eurasians) are partially descendants of a species previously thought extinct, and another group is not, how is it not objective, scientific reality, not me, creating the “us and them”? 😕 Of course, as Sam Harris has wryly pointed out, we are fortunate given the stereotyping of Neanderthals as primitive “cavemen” that scientists had not instead reported that it was the other way around, that only sub-Saharan Africans carried Neanderthal genes. Had it gone that way, the pressure from the “woke” crowd to suppress this information in academic and mainstream media contexts would have been extremely intense. ETA: BTW, aboriginal peoples in Australia and other island nations are in the Neanderthal population along with Eurasians. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/25 "2019-06-17T13:58:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > When one group (Eurasians) are partially descendants of a species previously thought extinct, and another group is not, how is it not objective, scientific reality, not me, creating the “us and them”? 😕 Of course, as Sam Harris has wryly pointed out, we are fortunate given the stereotyping of Neanderthals as primitive “cavemen” that scientists had not instead reported that it was the other way around, that only sub-Saharan Africans carried Neanderthal genes. Had it gone that way, the pressure from the “woke” crowd to suppress this information in academic and mainstream media contexts would have been extremely intense. God you’re a weirdo fantasist (as is Sam Harris, to some extent). This is just straw-man silliness. Harris has been criticized by progressives, and his ego renders him unable to reasonably consider criticism, so he lashes out at a massive group (those he considers “woke” or SJW or whatever), rationalizing away anything they ever say critical about him, no matter the evidence. Even to the point of making up absurd, awkward fantasies in order to make the fictional version of these people look silly! Your “us and them” is a fiction you’ve chosen to believe due to your own weird supremacist biases. I’m more closely related on a blood/genetic level to millions of black people in America (and probably outside too) than to certain other far-flung non-black people… there’s no possible legitimate biological classification that would place me in a group with those other far-flung non-black people, but not the black ones, even though I’m considered white by society, everyone who ever meets me, and my own upbringing. The same or similar is likely true for you and almost every other white or Asian person on the planet, in some variation. That ~2% of our ancestry might come from Neanderthals makes us no more “us and them” than that 3% might come from the Finnish, or the Tibetans, or Siberians. And even that Neanderthal ancestry is not so strict a delineator – my West African spouse, born to two West African parents, in a West African country, has a little bit of Neanderthal ancestry, according to one of those mail-in genetic tests. Is she somehow not “pure” sub-Saharan African? Or are notions of “purity” complete and total bullshit? I take it you choose to believe in these harmful notions of purity, but it’s a choice, and a bullshit, pseudo-scientific, and harmful-to-future-generations choice that you’re making. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/26 "2019-06-17T14:06:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years) > > There are dissenters who believe it happened more as you describe. But my narrative can hardly be dismissed out of hand as “an incorrect understanding of the facts”. > > And as noted upthread, unlike sub-Saharan Africans, two percent of our DNA comes from _literally an actual different species of primate._ :blinks: Not sure what you are going off here, but that in essence is the evidence that is used to argue that there is indeed just one human race. Of course, “scientific” racists do talk of gradual later genetic changes as if that was a meaningful way to make us as separate as the racists want it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/27 "2019-06-17T14:08:36Z")
Andy, your virtue signaling is duly noted. It’s what you are good at. (Actually, you do also seem to be good at writing science fiction, which—at least in the sample I read—surprised me by not reeking of performative wokeness.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/28 "2019-06-17T14:11:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Andy, your virtue signaling is duly noted. Fuck you, you racist piece of shit. Disagreeing with you, or with Sam Harris, is not “virtue signaling”. EDIT: Thank you for the kind words about my sci-fi writing. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/29 "2019-06-17T14:13:51Z")
Also, if disagreeing with racist pieces of shits is virtue signalling, than light me up commissioner gordon, I’m the virtue signal. Quillette is racist trash, duh. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/30 "2019-06-17T14:23:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Fuck you, you racist piece of shit. Disagreeing with you, or with Sam Harris, is not “virtue signaling”. That’s not what I was referring to. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > EDIT: Thank you for the kind words about my sci-fi writing. You are welcome—they were deserved. But are you sure you value the endorsement of a “racist piece of shit” like me? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/31 "2019-06-17T14:31:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That’s not what I was referring to. It doesn’t matter. It’s a flippant, lazy, and meaningless response. The equivalent of an unaccompanied “check your privilege” from a lazy progressive, and signifiying nothing more than your own unwillingness to expend any actual effort in defending your positions. We’re all guilty of laziness occasionally, but I’m gonna call it out when I see it. Especially when it’s paired with your rancid supremacist garbage. > [@](#): > > You are welcome—they were deserved. But are you sure you value the endorsement of a “racist piece of shit” like me? 😉 I am not at the point in my writing career in which I can pick and choose endorsements. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/32 "2019-06-17T14:45:59Z")
Okay, those are both fair points, well argued. Mea culpa for the lazy “virtue signaling” dig. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/33 "2019-06-17T15:13:08Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I have not followed any of your links. Because…? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/34 "2019-06-17T16:10:39Z")
Going a bit meta, and because we are in the pit, I will have to point here that the publication in the OP, _Quillette_, was encountered by me and many others before, it was cited by a poster called Chen019 and (IIRC) he also contributed to that site. He was the one that first started as a “scientific racist”, he posted later as a nativist, did go into appearing as a fake environmentalist (applying the concept of the carbon footprint just on immigrants), [and ended up as a holocaust denier.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=748767&page=2) A neo Nazi indeed. > **[Chen019, you are a liar.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=644631)** > > Chen019, you are a liar. Yes, yes. We all know he is a racist and ignorant and a weasely litttle shit. But what has me moderately pissed off at the moment is his habit of deliberately and blatantly lying about what is written in journal articles. ... (Interesting in that the OP in that thread also showed how unimpressive is the argument \*\*SlackerInc \*\*is pushing here.) Yes kids, when you use a poisoned well for your inspiration it will usually end up poisoning you. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/35 "2019-06-17T16:22:26Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And as noted upthread, unlike sub-Saharan Africans, two percent of our DNA comes from _literally an actual different species of primate._ [Not this shit again.](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24988-humanitys-forgotten-return-to-africa-revealed-in-dna/). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/36 "2019-06-17T16:27:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [https://www.genetics.org/content/161/1/269](https://www.genetics.org/content/161/1/269) > > > [@](#): > > > > Africans differ from one another **slightly** more than from Eurasians Learn to fucking read with comprehension, you pathetic excuse for a Master Race member. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/37 "2019-06-17T18:59:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > [Not this shit again.](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24988-humanitys-forgotten-return-to-africa-revealed-in-dna/). Am I the only confused why this finding is remarkable? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/38 "2019-06-17T20:18:35Z")
I’m not surprised by it per se, but I did not know the timelines of it until this thread. These sorts of threads are often illuminating in that way. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/39 "2019-06-17T20:59:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Because…? It’s a flurry of links with no pull quotes. I intended to look at some of it when I found time, but I don’t think any of us owe anyone that much reading to respond to a single post. The OP’s unwillingness to engage beyond “Yikes” does not exactly inspire me to go back and dig deeper. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/40 "2019-06-17T21:07:43Z")
Meanwhile, a rational person might read the headline “in defense of the bell curve” and consider that enough of a pull quote. These are all debates we’ve had. I have little interest in rehashing them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636.md?page=3)