# Quillette: the thinking racist's magazine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636 "2019-06-17T07:53:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/81 "2019-12-09T18:49:12Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Dammit man, I paid for that! > > 🙂 I paid too but didn’t mind, it wasn’t too expensive and it was worth paying for. Really good story. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/82 "2019-12-09T18:51:31Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I paid too but didn’t mind, it wasn’t too expensive and it was worth paying for. Really good story. Thanks again! Kind words about my writing never get old! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/83 "2019-12-09T19:34:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I paid too but didn’t mind, it wasn’t too expensive and it was worth paying for. Really good story. I didn’t mind either. I felt bad only buying the kindle version. And yes, it was a good story. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/84 "2019-12-09T20:12:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t mind either. I felt bad only buying the kindle version. And yes, it was a good story. If you want to feel better, buy a few kindle versions as gifts for your friends and family. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/85 "2019-12-09T20:37:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If you want to feel better, buy a few kindle versions as gifts for your friends and family. 😉 My family still uses rotary phones and answering machines 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/86 "2019-12-10T06:10:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Most virtue signalers are privileged liberals who get offended on behalf of all the oppressed people they don’t actually know in real life. 😕 Scratching my head over this apparent assumption that getting offended on behalf of oppressed people is somehow automatically insincere or illegitimate unless the victims of the oppression happen to be personal acquaintances in real life. Somebody better warn all those privileged conservatives who get offended on behalf of, say, Christians who are complete strangers to them in real life and who get attacked or discriminated against by, say, extremist Muslims or Hindus in non-Christian-majority countries that they’re merely “virtue signaling”. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/87 "2019-12-10T09:22:03Z")
If you have to pull out “virtue signaling,” it’s just an admission you’ve lost. Your only remaining defense is “Well, sure, that all sounds right, but they don’t really _mean_ what they say!” Even if that were true, it would be irrelevant. Whether something is correct has nothing to do with the sincerity of the person arguing it. A Creationist could argue for evolution using real evidence, and it wouldn’t matter that he himself doesn’t believe any of it. The evidence is what matters. Most of these irrational tactics used by the right came up because you were losing arguments so badly that you had to come up with something. It’s unfortunate that so many people find it convincing. And, no, pointing out that what you call virtue signaling actually does occur doesn’t mean anything. You’re literally just describing hypocrisy, and that’s existed since time immemorial. The existence of hypocrites does not prove something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/88 "2019-12-10T23:10:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Click my signature! If you’re a sci-fi fan, I’d be happy to send you a free copy of the e-book (an offer I extend to any Doper who likes to read sci-fi novels, regardless of past disagreements). I’m a sci fi fan. Everything from Isaac Asimov to Fred Saberhagen. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/89 "2019-12-10T23:12:45Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, as minority living in the full of bigots red state of Arizona, I will have to say that you are just spewing bullshit. In what way is my opinion bullshit? Do you simply refuse to believe that virtue signalling is a thing? Or do you have a different definition of virtue signalling? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/90 "2019-12-10T23:15:25Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Your projection is duly noted, fucko. That is a compelling argument. I don’t know if any of your other arguments are any better. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/91 "2019-12-10T23:17:01Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Scratching my head over this apparent assumption that getting offended on behalf of oppressed people is somehow automatically insincere or illegitimate unless the victims of the oppression happen to be personal acquaintances in real life. Not all white people are virtue signallers but most virtue signallers are white (or otherwise privileged). > [@](#): > > Somebody better warn all those privileged conservatives who get offended on behalf of, say, Christians who are complete strangers to them in real life and who get attacked or discriminated against by, say, extremist Muslims or Hindus in non-Christian-majority countries that they’re merely “virtue signaling”. There are plenty of conservative virtue signallers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/92 "2019-12-10T23:21:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If you want to feel better, buy a few kindle versions as gifts for your friends and family. 😉 Its $2. It’s probably just easier for me to buy it on Amazon. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/93 "2019-12-11T00:08:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In what way is my opinion bullshit? > > Do you simply refuse to believe that virtue signalling is a thing? > > Or do you have a different definition of virtue signalling? It is bullshit for believing that others are not capable of being sincere; IOW, a projection of your shortcomings, it is also bullshit once one learns about where the term came from: > **[Social justice warrior](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior)** > > "Social Justice Warrior" (abbreviated "SJW")\[note 1\] is a derogatory term used to refer to liberals, progressives, feminists, and supporters of political correctness. The term is an appropriated one, generally used by the right wing as a negative... > [@](#): > > “Virtue signalling” > > Since reactionaries are starting to realize people aren’t taking them seriously when they say SJW, the synonym “virtue signaller” - one who “virtue signals” - is now taking prominence. Virtue signalling is an appeal to motive that can refer to any SJW belief or claim. The term suggests that the SJW is just trying to look morally better (“signal their virtue”) to other people. The term thus suggests that they do not really believe what they are saying: they’re just regurgitating trendy political slogans for “ally points.” > > It was popularized in a 2015 column by James Bartholomew (a non-frothing conservative) in The Spectator[39] and originally referred to the type of people that buy organic food, recycle absolutely everything, and like lots of activist messages on Facebook so they can appear to be good people or feel like they’re making a bigger difference than they really are. > > However, it got seized upon by reactionaries almost immediately and broadened to just about every instance of somebody publicly expressing a desire for a better world. Just like the term SJW itself and whiteknighting, the user assumes being a prejudiced, oppressive asshole is the default and knows saying as much won’t get them any traction,\*\* so they throw terms around that assume bad faith of “the other side” in order to poison the well. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/94 "2019-12-11T01:45:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its $2. It’s probably just easier for me to buy it on Amazon. If you buy it, thank you very much, and I hope you enjoy reading it. And if you do read it, I hope you’ll let me know if you liked it. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/95 "2019-12-11T14:43:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > TO me virtue signaling always had an element of disingenuity. Acting virtuous when in fact you are just trying to humblebrag about how woke you are. It was the woke version of holier than thou attitudes. > > I don’t think blacks can really “virtue signal” about anti-black racism, no one thinks better of them for it nor does it identify them as an ally or anything like that. > > Most virtue signalers are privileged liberals who get offended on behalf of all the oppressed people they don’t actually know in real life. And you base this assessment on what evidence? Poor people aren’t liberal? Don’t understand that they share common suffering from the same group? How much of a slime are you that you see decency as something people _must_ be faking? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636/96 "2019-12-11T15:26:54Z")
> [@margin](#): > > How much of a slime are you that you see decency as something people _must_ be faking? It’s projection. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quillette-the-thinking-racists-magazine/835636.md?page=4)