Running on the roads is illegal, in most states.
Yes. Running on the roads is illegal, while driving on the roads is not. You endanger everyone by creating a hazard which prudent drivers must avoid, at risk to themselves and other legal users of the road. You are selfish, arrogant with a wholesale disregard for public safety. I am not, though I do enjoy honking at you bastards, in accordance with the law.
You are simply wrong. As a member of a local chapter of a national road runners club that operates with full santion and cooperation of government and law enforcement, I can tell you that you are just simply demonstrably wrong.
What you have shown is that walking on a road in certain specific circumstances provided that one is in New Hamphsire is illegal.
Your cite makes no mention of running, and doesn’t say anything about any other state. You’re demonstrable wrong.
As a law-abiding road runner I am a legal user of the road. Unlike yourself, I do not terrorize or deliberately endanger my fellow users of the road. Unlike yourself I am not irresponsibly operating a dangerous vehicle in an aggressive fashion.
You have serious issues here, and I don’t think I can reason somebody out of a stance they didn’t arrive at through reason.
And yet you have failed to demonstrate anything! Show me the statute that specifically permits running on a road on which walking is prohibited, and I will cede the point. Until then, my cite beats your fabrication.
I’m not the one making the positive argument. You’re asserting that road running is illegal. It’s up to you to prove that argument. I need demonstrate nothing.
Your cite makes no mention of roadrunning. It is worthless. It applies only to New Hampshire.
There are road runners clubs all across America that exist with the full cooperation and approval of law enforcement. Runners run on roads all across America with the approval of law enforcement.
If you wish to suggest that running on the roads is illegal, which is your argument than it is up to you to demonstrate it.
If you wish to show that cooking a burrito in a kitchen is illegal you need to demonstrate. I need show no law that cooking burritos is legal.
In the absence of a legal prohibition it is legal.
Plus, I just can’t beleive the stupidity of the argument that running on roads is illegal. It’s amazing to me the level of imbecility I encounter on the internet.
Scylla, you’re a braver man than I. I didn’t even want to parse the issue of running vs. walking.
Back on page 1 I linked to a thread I started a while back on this subject where I asked if jogging killed brain cells
After 3 pages I believe we have proved the theory that I put forth in that other thread.
Jesus people get a grip. If you are walking you are a pedestrian. If you are jogging you are a pedestrian. If you are running you still are defined as a pedestrian. Look at the root of the word. From Merriam-Webster online
Obviously def #1 does not apply here. But def #2A sure as hell does. If you are on foot you are a pedestrian.
To argue different would be the same as a Ferrari owner arguing that the law that apply to Yugos don’t apply to him since the Ferrari goes so much faster than a Yugo.
if you want to settle this argument once and for all, just find a statue in NH or IL that says that a runner is not a pedestrian. If you cannot come up with that, then the origin of the word, and the dictionary would seem to make a runner a pedestrian.
Oh, and for crying out loud, get the fuck out of the bike lane when I am approaching you, I don’t want to have to swerve into traffic and get butt fucked by 4,000 lbs of car just case you are in the wrong fucking place. :wally
You fabricated a ridiculous distinction between “walking” and “running”. You supplied no cite. Support it or go away.
You fabricated approval by law enforcement for running on the roadway. You supplied no cite. Support it or go away.
I supplied the statutes for both New Hampshire and Illinois that prohibit pedestrians on the roadway when a sidewalk is available. Unless and until you support your claims with cites, I win this argument, hands down, and no amount of hand-waving or circular justification on your part will change that.
Go whine somewhere else, neuticle.
So, what you’re saying is that traffic law covers walkers and cyclists in intimate detail, but lets runners do whatever they fucking want on the road? None of these laws have the word running or jogging in them, so there is no law governing them? Oh, I forgot to ask, is running and jogging different too? I wouldn’t want to insult one of you runners by calling you a jogger by accident.
“No your honor, I wasn’t walking along the road, I was skipping, so it was perfectly legal.”
Honestly, I thought Scylla was joking about it, you know, just to needle Fear Itself a bit.
By your contorted logic, dancing the Macarena down the street is legal, because it isn’t specifically prohibited. :rolleyes:
Gotta say, I also don’t see the legal difference between jogging and walking. I think you are going to need to provide us with some evidence of your assertion, Scylla.
Oh, regarding jogging on the sidewalk across back alleys and driveways - drivers are supposed* to come to a full stop before crossing a sidewalk, to keep it safe for pedestrians of any speed.
*Yeah, I know, there are a lot of things drivers are SUPPOSED to do. Because drivers are sloppy and dangerous, I look for drivers barrelling down the alley before crossing it when I’m a pede.
I apologize Cheesesteak, that quote was wrongly attributed to you, when it should have been Scylla. Mea Culpa.
Fear is correct in his interpretation of Illinois law (on the issue of pedestrians and roadways).
(625 ILCS 5/1‑158) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑158)
Sec. 1‑158. Pedestrian. Any person afoot, including a person with a physical, hearing, or visual disability.
(Source: P.A. 88‑685, eff. 1‑24‑95.)
The term Pedestrians includes joggers and runners. If there’s a sidewalk, runners have to use it, if practicable.
Although that last term isn’t defined in the code, an argument that using the sidewalk isn’t practicable because the road is softer, or because occasional sidewalk obstructions require the runner to slow down sometimes just ain’t gonna fly. If the sidewalk is blocked, that’s different, but you better retrurn to the sidewalk once you pass by the blocked area.
This is primarily a criminal law concept, but the rule has an impact on civil cases as well. I’m ignoring several civil law nuances that don’t change the general answer to the general question under debate.
General information, not legal advice, I’m not your lawyer, if you have a real world situation, see an Illinois lawyer in person for reliable advice.
To bring this back to the original rant, I run, and mainly avoid the sidewalks. Besides being concrete, they are in HORRIBLE shape around here. The problems I have:
The interesting thing is that I don’t feel much danger at all when running against traffic, on a normal flat road. I can move sideways, the car can’t. This also makes the driver uncomfortably of course.
or on railroad tracks
Sure. Help yourself. It’s not like 2 out of 3 drivers talk on their cell phone while driving and will be too distracted to notice you. I hope you feel quite sanctimonious under thier right-front tire.
Random:
Since you are on right now and seem to be an Illinois Lawyer with at least a cursory understanding of the Laws of the Road or at least access thereto; could you please answer my question here?
Random:
Since you are on right now and seem to be an Illinois Lawyer with at least a cursory understanding of the Laws of the Road or at least access thereto; could you please answer my question here?
sorry for the hijack.
Anybody with such rage over having to deal with gasp! a jogger on the side of the road is a fucking moron. Who cares? I jog 4 or 5 times a week, and I jog on the side of the road. I jog tight to the gutter, and whenever I see a car approach, I assume it’s going to hit me–meaning, I am poised to jump on the sidewalk until I am assured by the car’s trajectory that I am safe. I am always careful, and I never run in a way that assumes that you have to be mindful of me because I have a God-given right of way.
Somebody in a rage clips me and kills me? Whatever. We’re all born to die. I’m still more likely to live longer by jogging, and I need a softer surface, particularly since I turned 40. Everybody’s tough in his car. Next time I piss you off because of my selfish jogging, stop your car and get in my face, tough guy. You can cite some laws to me while you’re jabbing your finger in my chest. We’ll see what happens. Just don’t be chickenshit and beep or swerve at me. Be a man and stop your car. It’ll be real interesting for you, I guarantee.
I could care less if some dipshit is pissed because I’m jogging. All I can do is jog safe and be considerate of others on the road. If that’s not good enough for you, fuck you.
furnace, I’ve responded to your thread.
I can’t beleive I need to link to show that roadrunning isn’t illegal. This from Duhaime Police Dept.
http://www.duhaime.org/Police_station/jogging.aspx
This quotes the reason for running on the sidewalk as safety, not as a matter of law. BTW, I don’t and wouldn’t run on city streets.
Once again, I cite from a police department recognizing road running.
What’s your license plate number, Fear?
This is the most salient part. Clearly here, the right of runners to run on roads is recognized. Clearly also, it is up to the discretion of the runner to judge the relative hazard of the situation and make a responsible choice.
Which is why in a situation with trees and impeded vision, I will choose legally to run in the street.
More on running on the roads.
According to dipshit there’s 160,000 lawbreakers out there.
So, this “running on the roads is illegal” is pure horseshit.