# Quiz: who do you sue? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879 "2005-03-16T21:34:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/81 "2005-03-17T15:16:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s called terminal stupidity, or Darwinism in action. If someone is stupid enough to walk in front of a moving bulldozer and really expect to not be injured or killed, then one should be prepared to accept the consequences. And if the parents raised somebody to be that stupid, they should be suing themselves. When a soldier dies in Iraq, do you mock their stupidity for putting themselves in harm’s way? Do you talk about Darwinism in action? She knowingly risked her life for a cause she believed in. She died for a cause that mattered passionately to her. What separates her from a soldier are two factors: 1. She wasn’t getting paid to do this; and 2. She wasn’t willing to kill other people for her cause. I think she’s far nobler than any war hero, and mourn her death. And on a selfish level, I’m glad she’s not the Rachel I knew at Evergreen. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/82 "2005-03-17T15:20:30Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > When a soldier dies in Iraq, do you mock their stupidity for putting themselves in harm’s way? Do you talk about Darwinism in action? > > She knowingly risked her life for a cause she believed in. She died for a cause that mattered passionately to her. > > What separates her from a soldier are two factors: > > 1. She wasn’t getting paid to do this; and > 2. She wasn’t willing to kill other people for her cause. > > I think she’s far nobler than any war hero, and mourn her death. And on a selfish level, I’m glad she’s not the Rachel I knew at Evergreen. > > Daniel When a person flying a plane into the World Trade Center dies, do you mock their stupidity for putting themselves in harm’s way? Do you talk about Darwinism in action. He knowingly risked him life for a cause he believed in. He died for a cause that mattered passionately to him. Pfft, martyrs. I say “kill 'em all”. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/83 "2005-03-17T15:22:46Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > I am sure that this is insensitive and bad on my part, but am I the only one that is thinking about that scene in the Austin Powers movie where the guard gets run over by the steam-roller that is moving at about 1 mph? Thankfully, you are \*not \* the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/84 "2005-03-17T15:24:54Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > When a person flying a plane into the World Trade Center dies, do you mock their stupidity for putting themselves in harm’s way? Do you talk about Darwinism in action. > > He knowingly risked him life for a cause he believed in. He died for a cause that mattered passionately to him. > > Pfft, martyrs. I say “kill 'em all”. You’re a smart kid. Try to come up with one, just one, morally relevant difference between your example and the peace protestor’s actions. Meanwhile, I’ll answer your question. I certainly don’t mock the stupidity of the World Trade Center murderers’ actions: they were evilly brilliant. Nor do I talk about Darwinism in action, because that’s just unscientific twaddle. As for your last sentence, it’s roughly equivalent to saying, “Pff, corpses. I say 'kill ‘em all.’” You kinda have to be dead to be a genuine martyr, so what you’re saying is incoherent. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/85 "2005-03-17T15:30:10Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > You’re a smart kid. Try to come up with one, just one, morally relevant difference between your example and the peace protestor’s actions. > > Meanwhile, I’ll answer your question. I certainly don’t mock the stupidity of the World Trade Center murderers’ actions: they were evilly brilliant. Nor do I talk about Darwinism in action, because that’s just unscientific twaddle. > > As for your last sentence, it’s roughly equivalent to saying, “Pff, corpses. I say 'kill ‘em all.’” You kinda have to be dead to be a genuine martyr, so what you’re saying is incoherent. > > Daniel Been whooshed much? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/86 "2005-03-17T15:43:13Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Been whooshed much? Err…I’m apparently still being whooshed; I’ve just read your first post over twice more, and I’m still not figuring out what its subtext or sarcasm would be. Sorry! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/87 "2005-03-17T15:48:44Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > When a soldier dies in Iraq, do you mock their stupidity for putting themselves in harm’s way? Do you talk about Darwinism in action? She was, as another poster put it, “playing chicken” with a **bulldozer**! And an extremely large one at that! I’m at a loss to see how such a stupid activity was showing support for any cause. She really thought they were going to stop because she was jumping around like an idiot? How is that comparable in any way to a soldier fighting in a war? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/88 "2005-03-17T15:52:20Z")
Dante, he was managing the Quick Stop at the time. Now it is time for BIG AMERICAN PARTY! ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/89 "2005-03-17T15:52:42Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Err…I’m apparently still being whooshed; I’ve just read your first post over twice more, and I’m still not figuring out what its subtext or sarcasm would be. Sorry! > > Daniel Purposefully killing martyrs? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/90 "2005-03-17T15:58:03Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#): > > She was, as another poster put it, “playing chicken” with a **bulldozer**! And an extremely large one at that! I’m at a loss to see how such a stupid activity was showing support for any cause. She really thought they were going to stop because she was jumping around like an idiot? How is that comparable in any way to a soldier fighting in a war? She thought there was a good chance they’d stop, yes, but she knew the danger that they wouldn’t stop and was willing to accept that danger. Like a soldier, she took an action that risked her own life in order to try to influence the actions of a government that she opposed. Unlike a soldier, she only risked her own life: she wasn’t willing to risk the lives of other people in order to attempt to effect this change. Whether she was successful remains to be seen, but I suspect that Israel will review their policies very carefully, making her sacrifice far less “stupid” than the sacrifice of a US soldier, whose death emboldens the opposing army. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/91 "2005-03-17T16:07:37Z")
From the accounts I’ve read, seems like she was trying to get out of the way once she realized she was in imminent danger of being plowed under. She might not have been so keen on the whole martyr aspect, a martyr would have just layed down and been plowed. She was scrambling in an attempt to not become a martyr. So she might be granted martyr status posthumously, but from the accounts of her trying to get out of the way (a bit too late) I’d say she wasn’t really aiming for that goal. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/92 "2005-03-17T17:34:37Z")
A specific page about the [IDF’s specially modified D9 bulldozer, with plenty of pictures](http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/engineer_vehicles/bulldozers/D9_D10.html). Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/93 "2005-03-17T18:57:52Z")
[PDF of the Complaint](http://hq.demaction.org/dia/organizations/jvfp/images/final.corriecomplaint.3.15.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/94 "2005-03-17T19:14:43Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > [PDF of the Complaint](http://hq.demaction.org/dia/organizations/jvfp/images/final.corriecomplaint.3.15.pdf). According to points 37 and 39 (pages 9 and 10), the IDF has already had demolition related deaths. (Although, the complaint does not state whether these were with the Caterpillar D9). This would get rid of the “bulldozer hasn’t killed anybody before” excuse if the Caterpillar D9 was used (and the deaths were from the protestors). ---
**Author:** ![Balle\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Balle\_M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balle_M)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/95 "2005-03-17T19:53:28Z")
> [@Daniel](#): > > Whether she was successful remains to be seen, but I suspect that Israel will review their policies very carefully, making her sacrifice far less “stupid” than the sacrifice of a US soldier, whose death emboldens the opposing army. > > Daniel No. By dying like an idiot all she did was make it easier to dismiss her cohorts as more idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/96 "2005-03-17T19:54:55Z")
Those deaths were of people in the houses when the IDF didn’t bother to make sure nobody was inside. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/97 "2005-03-17T19:59:14Z")
> [@Balle\_M](#): > > By dying like an idiot all she did was make it easier to dismiss her cohorts as more idiots. When you’re done with your crystal ball, may I use it for a bit? Because I can’t see as far into the future as you. Unless you mean that it made it easier for **you** to dismiss her, and admit that you have no understanding of the clout of the international human rights movement or of the history of nonviolent protests and the political fallout that’s occurred from deaths during nonviolent protests; if that’s all your saying, well, I’ll try to schedule some time into my busy life to care. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/98 "2005-03-17T20:01:10Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Those deaths were of people in the houses when the IDF didn’t bother to make sure nobody was inside. You’re completely right, the lawsuit, unfortunately, didn’t go into full detail. Here’s a bit more info from [Amnesty International.](http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE151432002) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/99 "2005-03-17T20:01:07Z")
You know what I hate? When you click the submit button, and while your waiting for the page to load, your noticing an obnoxious misspelling in you’re post, but it’s too late to do anything about it. Sorry about that. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879/100 "2005-03-17T20:03:47Z")
> [@Balle\_M](#): > > No. > > By dying like an idiot all she did was make it easier to dismiss her cohorts as more idiots. Did James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner die like idiots? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quiz-who-do-you-sue/294879.md?page=6)