# quothz, please cool your jets. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329 "2004-11-06T06:37:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/1 "2004-11-06T06:37:37Z")
Regarding [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285071), may I humbly suggest you step back for a moment, and take a deep breath? Then perhaps listen to me for a moment? The OP asked for language that distinguish between two different kinds of “hot”. I suggested one, Spanish, and mentioned in passing that I disagreed with the OP’s premise that English didn’t distinguish between the two concepts. Then **aaslatten** posted, wondering why English speakers still said “spicy hot” and “temperature hot”, given the breadth of English vocabulary. I replied then replied to **aaslatten** ’s post. My reply was a bit flippant. But still, I feel it was relevant to the OP. It was a reply to **aaslatten** , and related to my contention that English does distinguish between the two types of “hot-ness”. Then you came in, so to speak. You made a very informative post, but you started by suggesting that I didn’t know what the word “scalding” meant. I quite frankly was rather puzzled by that. Just to be sure, I looked it up. I also mentioned the derivation of the word, not to “impress ancient Romans” but because it was related to what I had said earlier about Latin-derived languages having similar words. Then, apparently, you blew a gasket. Quite frankly, this: > [@quotzh](#): > > Neither would anyone else who, like, cooks things that don’t have instructions printed on the back of the box. and this: > [@](#): > > If you’re actually interested in -contributing-, rub your working brain cells together with an actual reading of the OP and see if maybe you can come up with an answer aside from an almost-clever one-liner. were both condescending and insulting. I don’t think your comments were warranted, and I don’t think I deserved that level of hostility. I have, in fact, been known to cook (although I freely admit I’m not that experienced at it) and I have even been known to bake bread, and I _did_ answer the OP thank you very bloody much. If you thought I was being too flippant or not on-topic enough, you might have considered just saying so. Instead, you decided to fire with both barrels. Next time, try cooling your jets and using some civility. (I’ve made nearly 20 posts in threads related to the election this week, and _this_ is what prompts me to pit a Doper for the first time. Weird week, I guess.) ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/2 "2004-11-06T10:43:39Z")
This kinda calls for a Schwarzenegger one-liner after messily dispatching an opponent by throwing him into a furnace: “Too bad he vas such a hot-head.” I love eytomology, BTW, though my Latin is pretty rusty, so keep 'em coming. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/3 "2004-11-06T10:48:12Z")
> [@Middlecase](#): > > This kinda calls for a Schwarzenegger one-liner after messily dispatching an opponent by throwing him into a furnace: “Too bad he vas such a hot-head.” I love eytomology, BTW, though my Latin is pretty rusty, so keep 'em coming. Calidus. From what I’ve just remembered {there must be a posting term for esprit d’ escalier}, Arnie played a character named Calidor in Red Sonja. Perhaps that’s the connection. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/4 "2004-11-06T18:39:07Z")
I would just like to PIT **quotzh** for these two sentences: “_As others have noted a bit vaguely, the Spanish picante refers to the hotness caused by peppers or whatnot._” I cannot stand that fucking phrase. “Whatnot”?. I’ll tell you what the fuck not! It sounds ridiculous! How in the hell is it catching on? “_Neither would anyone else who, like, cooks things that don’t have instructions printed on the back of the box._” Like… whatever, and whatnot. Like totally… ---
**Author:** ![quothz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/da6949/32.png) [@quothz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quothz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/5 "2004-11-06T21:26:32Z")
Yeah, I was totally out of line with that post, and I apologize. There was no reason or need for my manner. I usually reserve my ire for those who need a good keyboard-lashing, but in this case it was totally uncalled-for. ---
**Author:** ![quothz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/da6949/32.png) [@quothz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quothz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/6 "2004-11-06T21:46:17Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > I cannot stand that fucking phrase. “Whatnot”?. I’ll tell you what the fuck not! It sounds ridiculous! How in the hell is it catching on? “Whatnot” caught on in the 16th century, and has been in usage ever since. It’s colloquial usage and all like that, but popular for something on the close order of five hundred years. I insert “like” as a standalone phrase to indicate approximation or broad generalities, but I wouldn’t use it -formally-. It’s just a stylistic thing, like using “the fuck” as a general emphatic term. I can only assume that your formal writing doesn’t include this. (“I recommend the U.H. 332 Modulator for our Gyroscopic Epiphanizer. Not only is the price lower than the model presented by the General Products representative, but it outperforms the fuck out of the GP model.”) We all have our stylistic foibles, which we occasionally indulge in when writing informally. And with that said, I bow out of an otherwise well-deserved pitting. Flame on! ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/7 "2004-11-06T21:52:44Z")
Well dang **qouthz**. That ruins a pit. Hmmph. No fireworks. It is Guy Forkes Night over here in the UK and you throw that on the bonfire! Shame on you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/8 "2004-11-07T05:15:05Z")
> [@quothz](#): > > “Whatnot” caught on in the 16th century, and has been in usage ever since. It’s colloquial usage and all like that, but popular for something on the close order of five hundred years. > > I insert “like” as a standalone phrase to indicate approximation or broad generalities, but I wouldn’t use it -formally-. It’s just a stylistic thing, like using “the fuck” as a general emphatic term. I can only assume that your formal writing doesn’t include this. (“I recommend the U.H. 332 Modulator for our Gyroscopic Epiphanizer. Not only is the price lower than the model presented by the General Products representative, but it outperforms the fuck out of the GP model.”) We all have our stylistic foibles, which we occasionally indulge in when writing informally. > > And with that said, I bow out of an otherwise well-deserved pitting. Flame on! Holy Crap, or something. Go ahead… cloud the issue with hard facts and agreeable explanations! Bastard. “like” I can actually handle. “And Whatnot” will forever sound ridiculous to me. It may have been around many centuries ago, but I bet it’s like bellbottoms. It comes and goes. Only recently have I heard people using it all the time like madmen. Or maybe it’s regional, and you losers just keep moving down here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/9 "2004-11-07T07:26:25Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Well dang **qouthz**. That ruins a pit. Hmmph. No fireworks. It is Guy Forkes Night over here in the UK and you throw that on the bonfire! Shame on you. 😃 Guy fork()s night here is celebrated by making sparks come out of a process table with the following little ditty: ```auto #!/bin/sh $0 & $0 & ``` I didn’t know it had spread to anyplace they celebrate Guy Fawkes night. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/10 "2004-11-07T10:22:05Z")
My ears are burning. > [@quothz](#): > > “Whatnot” caught on in the 16th century, and has been in usage ever since. It’s colloquial usage and all like that, but popular for something on the close order of five hundred years. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/11 "2004-11-07T16:52:05Z")
> [@quothz](#): > > Yeah, I was totally out of line with that post, and I apologize. There was no reason or need for my manner. I usually reserve my ire for those who need a good keyboard-lashing, but in this case it was totally uncalled-for. Apology completely accepted. (I would have said so sooner, but I’ve been away from the keyboard for a while. Silly real life…) ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/12 "2004-11-07T20:04:26Z")
BTW, **quothz** , you really talk good. ---
**Author:** ![aaslatten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@aaslatten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaslatten)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/quothz-please-cool-your-jets/273329/13 "2004-11-07T20:43:21Z")
Since Orbifold’s original reply was to me, I’ll chime in that I was merely saying that even if these words (like spicy and scalding) do exist, they appear to be inadequate to the extent that people often don’t use them, preferring to fall back on “temperature hot” and “spicy hot.”