# R.I.P. Mary Jo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738 "2004-07-18T23:57:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/61 "2004-07-19T02:12:21Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Good for him, then. Too bad it wasn’t in Texas, where he could face the death penalty. Wishing death on someone **milroyj**? Bad form. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/62 "2004-07-19T02:13:30Z")
> [@lambchops](#): > > I believe I’m mocking you for the first time here, though I could be wrong. And I’m not mocking you for your political beliefs, or your principled opposition to liberal notions, but merely for the steaming load of bullshit that is your OP. How is my OP bullshit? Seriously, why is her killer still in the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ninja_Pizza_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/63 "2004-07-19T02:13:50Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > She sits in the White House by happenstance. Teddy keeps getting elected, by the very same people who are so gung ho about Kerry. What does that say about them? It says they keep voting for him. Y’know, it’s like a choice. Their choice. Don’t like the democratic process? There’s lots of other countries you can move to where you won’t be bothered by it. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/64 "2004-07-19T02:15:25Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Wishing death on someone **milroyj**? > Bad form. You can bait me all you like, but I’m not falling for it. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/65 "2004-07-19T02:18:09Z")
> [@Ninja Pizza Guy](#): > > It says they keep voting for him. Y’know, it’s like a choice. Their choice. Don’t like the democratic process? There’s lots of other countries you can move to where you won’t be bothered by it. I agree that it’s their choice. Just wondering why they continue to vote for killers, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ninja_Pizza_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/66 "2004-07-19T02:20:09Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > How is my OP bullshit? How is it not? > [@](#): > > Seriously, why is her killer still in the Senate? Because the people of his state keep voting for him. It’s really quite simple. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/67 "2004-07-19T02:20:55Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > You can bait me all you like, but I’m not falling for it. Sorry. I hadn’t realized that you were so polite **milroyj**. Kudos on assuming the mantle. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/68 "2004-07-19T02:23:03Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > How is my OP bullshit? Seriously, why is her killer still in the Senate? Take a look at my post #47, or **Veb’s** post on this page. In precis: - Accusations of murder, drunkenness has little factual background and a great deal of hyperbole - Irrelevant to anything happening today - Random swings at all people from Massachussetts, or all Democrats, or something like that - What a maroon you are. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/69 "2004-07-19T02:24:49Z")
> [@Ninja Pizza Guy](#): > > How is it not? > > Because the people of his state keep voting for him. It’s really quite simple. Ok, Jeffrey Dahmer for President! Or maybe John Wayne Gacy, how’s that? ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/70 "2004-07-19T02:26:23Z")
I’m not going to sit here and defend **milroyj** , but here are some facts about the [Chappaquiddick accident](http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm). Ted Kennedy was at a party that evening. He later drove off a bridge. He escaped, but his passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne, did not, and died. After escaping from the car, Kennedy didn’t report the accident until 8 hours later. At the least, his conduct was reckless and irresponsible. It is almost indisputable that his reputation and family name helped him avoid the consequences that Joe Schmoe would have faced in the same scenario. What does this mean over thirty five years later? That’s for everyone to decide for themselves, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/71 "2004-07-19T02:26:39Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Why do they keep voting for murderers, though? And we should take their advice and vote for Kerry? I don’t think so. > [@milroyj](#): > > Just wondering why they continue to vote for killers, is all. Okay, you’ve said it twice now. Even if we were to accept your OP that Ted Kennedy is a murderer, who are these other murderers/killers that the folks of Massachusetts “keep voting for”? Are you trying to imply Kerry by using the plural, or do you have another Massachusetts politician up your sleeve? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/72 "2004-07-19T02:30:12Z")
> [@lambchops](#): > > Take a look at my post #47, or **Veb’s** post on this page. > > In precis: > > - Accusations of murder, drunkenness has little factual background and a great deal of hyperbole IIRC, he was indeed convicted of drunk driving. The fact that it happened before you were born does not make it any less true. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/73 "2004-07-19T02:30:48Z")
I’m as liberal as they get, but I have no problem calling creeps like Kennedy and scumbags like Clinton what they are: creeps and scumbags. Have you ever seen Teddy’s PR speech that went on TV or whatever after Mary Jo’s bath? It’s absolutely chilling. **He** was the one who fucked up, but at the end of the thing, it’s like he’s preaching to _us_ about how sometimes thing happen, and we’ve just got to accept that, etc. Disgusting. I wonder if this sweet piece of propaganda is available on the Net somewhere. This “innocent until proven guilty” stuff is nonsense. He got a girl killed and ran like a coward. Had he not been a Kennedy, he would have had no political career thereafter. “Prove he was drunk.” “It was just a blowjob.” Sorry, folks. Bush is as bad as it gets, but we’ve got to accept the faults of people supposedly on our own liberal side, otherwise we just sound like knee-jerk phonies. /2c ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/74 "2004-07-19T02:35:54Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Okay, you’ve said it twice now. Even if we were to accept your OP that Ted Kennedy is a murderer, who are these other murderers/killers that the folks of Massachusetts “keep voting for”? > > Are you trying to imply Kerry by using the plural, or do you have another Massachusetts politician up your sleeve? How many Vietamese did Kerry kill? A lot, I’d guess, based on his medals. ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/75 "2004-07-19T02:41:54Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > How many Vietamese did Kerry kill? A lot, I’d guess, based on his medals. So soldiers are killers? Why do you hate the Armed Forces so much? Can’t you support the troops? Why do you hate America? I mean, I’m a big-time Democrat, and I support the troops. You crazy right-wing folk…calling soldiers killers…wow… ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/76 "2004-07-19T02:42:45Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Are you trying to imply Kerry by using the plural, or do you have another Massachusetts politician up your sleeve? He has clearly stated he is making a link between Kennedy and Kerry. > [@milroyj](#): > > Teddy keeps getting elected, by the very same people who are so gung ho about Kerry. What does that say about them? The stink of partisan desperation coming from **milroyj** is so heavy, I’m sure it must show up in photographs and interfere with radio broadcasts. **milroyj** , does it distort your face in pictures and closed-circuit TV pictures, sort of like in the movie ‘The Ring’? Do you have any pictures online, it must look pretty cool! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/77 "2004-07-19T02:43:09Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > How many Vietamese did Kerry kill? A lot, I’d guess, based on his medals. More than Bush did, that’s for sure. Are you seriously suggesting that Vietnam vets (or any other combat veterans) are murderers? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/78 "2004-07-19T02:43:17Z")
Mmmm, tough one. Dahmer would definitely lose the Vegetarian Party. Gacy would lose all the mimes (longstanding hatred of clowns), but might pick up some from the home-handyman sector. Both are, of course, dead, whereas Bush is only dead from the neck upwards, and Kerry only _looks_ dead. Nope, still Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/79 "2004-07-19T02:44:17Z")
Here is the end of Kennedy’s [speech](http://www.ytedk.com/epilogue.htm#7): And so I ask you tonight, the people of Massachusetts, to think this through with me. In facing this decision, I seek your advice and opinion. In making it, I seek your prayers. For this is a decision that I will have finally to make on my own. It has been written: “A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis for all human morality. And whatever may be the sacrifices he faces if he follows his conscience - the loss of his friends, his fortune, his contentment, even the esteem of his fellow men - each man must decide for himself the course he will follow. The stories of past courage cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul.” I pray that I can have the courage to make the right decision. Whatever is decided, whatever the future holds for me, I hope I shall be able to put this most recent tragedy behind me and make some future contribution to our state and mankind whether it be in public or private life. Thank you and good night. **What a jackass.** ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-mary-jo/255738/80 "2004-07-19T02:45:02Z")
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