# R.I.P. Sopranos - 06/10/07 (Open SPOILERS after post #12) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 10, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509 "2007-06-10T22:19:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![fatmac98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@fatmac98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fatmac98)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/201 "2007-06-11T16:09:48Z")
[QUOTE=KidCharlemagne] I just want to point this out again to those who just don’t seem to be getting it. There is no reasonable interpretation other than the “Tony is Dead” one. [/QUOTE] But why would he be dead. He has vanquished all foes. The only real threat had been Phil, and now he’s a grease spot in a gas station parking lot. No, I think he’s aloive, there’s no reason for anyone to kill him. I think that Chase did exactly what he wanted to do, show us that life “DON’T STOP” there is no pat ending, tomorrow will bring a new set of problems/adventures. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/202 "2007-06-11T16:12:41Z")
[QUOTE=Grits and Hard Toast] When they showed agent Harris’s reaction to hearing about Phil’s death; stunned, then gleeful, and then the comment about winning, I started laughing and said to my husband, “That is hysterical! The FBI is playing Mafia Death Pool!” [/QUOTE] I had a similar thought, so good work. 😉 I found Harris’ overinvolvement a bit of a stretch, but I thought he was sort of a surrogate for the viewer - like most of us, he was pulling for Tony even though he knew he shouldn’t. He was one more person taken in by the Sopranos and, as happened to a lot of characters, he was screwing up his life in the process. > [@fatmac98](#): > > But why would he be dead. He has vanquished all foes. The only real threat had been Phil, and now he’s a grease spot in a gas station parking lot. We don’t know how anybody with New York will respond to Phil’s death. ---
**Author:** ![Lunar\_Saltlick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/977dab/32.png) [@Lunar\_Saltlick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunar_Saltlick)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/203 "2007-06-11T16:17:34Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] There should never be another Sopranos incarnation or spin off. This is where it needs to stop. Cold turkey like. [/QUOTE] Couldn’t agree more, even though I didn’t like the ending. But wait till Chase has a couple flops, and Gandolfini can’t get a job. You’re gonna see Tony waking up in a hospital bed beside Sil, newly-revived himself, and AJ’ll have Paulie-style hair as he takes orders from his father substitute. I’m rooting for Chase and Gandolfini to have nothing but success from here on. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/204 "2007-06-11T16:21:18Z")
[QUOTE=fatmac98] But why would he be dead. He has vanquished all foes. [/QUOTE] Not quite. This was posted earlier in this thread: > [@all over the internet](#): > > The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn’t that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil’s brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail. > > So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?). > > Absolutely incredible!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase’s way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to “don’t stop”. Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn’t get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/205 "2007-06-11T16:22:40Z")
[QUOTE=Euthanasiast] I want a MMORPG based on the Dark Tower series. [/QUOTE] Iiiiiiiinteresting. I get to be Eddie. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/206 "2007-06-11T16:25:13Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] There’s not going to be a “Sex & The City” movie. [/QUOTE] [well](http://www.hollywood.com/news/Parker_Confirms_Sex_and_the_City_Movie_in_the_Works/3775239) … ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/207 "2007-06-11T16:29:04Z")
Reaching WAY back to page one for a moment… [QUOTE=Lizard] That’s _why_ he would win. Hell, they’re mobsters, not priests. Being a nice guy is not a marketable skill. [/QUOTE] None of them are nice guys, of course. I just meant that I liked most of the other characters, even Tony’s antagonists, more than I liked Phil. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/208 "2007-06-11T16:33:07Z")
> [@](#): > > The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn’t that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil’s brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail. > > So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?). > > Absolutely incredible!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase’s way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to “don’t stop”. Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn’t get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family. Wow, is this true? If so, that’s fucking brilliant. Does anyone have the DVDs to verify it? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/209 "2007-06-11T16:45:01Z")
[QUOTE=Absolute] Wow, is this true? If so, that’s fucking brilliant. Does anyone have the DVDs to verify it? [/QUOTE] Wow. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/210 "2007-06-11T16:45:38Z")
Can’t remember if I found this link via this thread – here’s the last 5 minutes (or so). [I love the twist of his shoulders, right at the final second.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphuuLi17SU) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/211 "2007-06-11T16:53:04Z")
[QUOTE=Someone from YouTube] perfect. tony’s words to bobby were: “you wouldn’t even know it had happened; everything would just go black.” [/QUOTE] Yeh… it’s just too perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Euthanasiast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Euthanasiast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euthanasiast)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/212 "2007-06-11T16:53:41Z")
So Chase didn’t whack Tony. Chase whacked **us**. Makes perfect sense to me now. ---
**Author:** ![Spiral\_Stairs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Spiral\_Stairs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiral_Stairs)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/213 "2007-06-11T16:54:09Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] Wow. [/QUOTE] Wow, wow, wow! I am desperate for this information to be verified. (There are conflicting claims on TWoP, e.g., about whether that was really a Leotardo.) ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/214 "2007-06-11T16:57:40Z")
> [@](#): > > There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. I’d love to try to verify this. IMDB does not have the full cast list yet. I had thought to do a massive cross-reference to find the previous episodes that those actors had appeared in. Does anyone else have a cast list? (I could copy it from the tv screen, but would rather cut-and-paste.) ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/215 "2007-06-11T17:08:57Z")
Okay, here’s the cast, according to [http://www.tv.com/the-sopranos/show/314/episode\_guide.html?season=6](http://www.tv.com/the-sopranos/show/314/episode_guide.html?season=6) Anyone who wants to help with the research, go for it! Arthur J. Nascarella (Carlo Gervasi) Ed Vassallo (Tom Giglione) Max Casella (Benny Fazio) Angelo Massagli (Bobby Baccalieri Jr.) Carl Capotorto (Little Paulie Germani) David Margulies (Neil Mink) Frank Pando (Agent Grasso) Matt Servitto (Agent Dwight Harris) Michele de Cesare (Hunter Scangarelo) Miryam Coppersmith (Sophia Baccalieri) William Severs (Old Man in Diner) Adrianne Rae Rodgers (Young Woman in Diner) Henry O’Neill (Young Man in Diner) Anthony J. Ribustello (Dante Greco) Mike Sullivan (Paulie’s Friend) Frank Albanese (Uncle Pat) Peter Mele (George Pagilieri) Melanie Minichino (Tara Zincone) Don Striano (Priest) Rajesh Bose (Gas Station Manager) Jeffrey M. Marchetti (Peter “Bissell” LaRosa) Danielle Divecchio (Barbara Giglione) Paolo Colandrea (Man in Members Only Jacket) Anita Salvate (Mary) Ricky Aiello (Ray-Ray D’Abaldo) Matt Pepper (Agent Ron Gosling) Michael H. Ingram (F.B.I Agent) Amy Russ (Female F.B.I Agent) Colleen Morris (Nanny) Avery Elaine Pulcher (Domenica Baccalieri) Emily Ruth Pulcher (Domenica Baccalieri) Saidah Arrika Ekulona (Tour Guide) Tony White (Orderly) Shortee Redd (Teen #1) Rydell Rollins (Teen #2) Daniel Bacote (Teen #3) T.J. Allen (Teen #4) Alan Levine (Lavoo) Jimmy Spadola (Man in Diner) Carol Scudder (Diner Waitress) Du Kelly (African American Man #1 in Diner) Sharrieff Pugh (African American Man #2 in Diner) Patrick Joseph Connolly (Truck Driver in Diner) Patti Karr (Old Woman in Diner) Gregory Antonacci (Butch DeConcini) Donna Pescow (Donna Parisi) Jenna Stern (Dr. Doherty) John ‘Cha Cha’ Ciarcia (Albie Cianflone) Frank John Hughes (Walden Belfiore) John Cenatiempo (Anthony Maffei) Michael Kelly (Agent Ron Goddard) Daniel Sauli (Patrick Parisi) Joe Perrino (Jason Gervasi) Michael Drayer (Jason Parisi) Geraldine LiBrandi (Patty Leotardo) Emily Wickersham (Rhiannon Flammer) ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/216 "2007-06-11T17:09:43Z")
Someone on Matt Zoeller Seitz’s blog says no, those people in the diner weren’t from past episodes. The guy who’s reported to be Nikki Leotardo is identified as “Members Only Jacket guy”, and the two black guys aren’t from an earlier episode either. A Google search on the Members Only Jacket guy brings up a [newspaper article](http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-06092007-1360360.html) which says he owns a pizza parlor in Philly and this was his only film role. ---
**Author:** ![Euthanasiast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Euthanasiast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euthanasiast)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/217 "2007-06-11T17:28:47Z")
[QUOTE=Euthanasiast] So Chase didn’t whack Tony. Chase whacked **us**. Makes perfect sense to me now. [/QUOTE] I’m almost sure of it now. The last member of the show to get whacked was never on the cast list. We never saw it coming. We were watching and then black. ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/218 "2007-06-11T17:31:39Z")
Minor corrections after comparing that list to my VCR tape: Frank Pando (Agent Grasso) is on screen as Agent Ron Grasso Danielle Divecchio (Barbara Giglione) is on screen as Danielle Di Vecchio (with a blank space) ---
**Author:** ![RumMunkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@RumMunkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RumMunkey)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/219 "2007-06-11T17:40:34Z")
[QUOTE=fatmac98] But why would he be dead. He has vanquished all foes. The only real threat had been Phil, and now he’s a grease spot in a gas station parking lot. No, I think he’s aloive, there’s no reason for anyone to kill him… [/QUOTE] Sure there is! Pick one: 1. Tony spoke to the Feds. Sure you and I know it was to give an empty “tip” on “terrorists”, but if any higher-up caught wind of Tony talking with a Fed in a secluded parking lot, he’d be hit fast & hard. There are many times Tony could have been seen with agent Harris too (many times at Satriale’s, for example). 2. Carlo flipped. Perhaps the higher-ups felt they needed to cut all ties to anyone associated with Carlo so when the charges come down, there’s nobody charged with anything still around. 3. Perhaps, despite Butchie’s acceptance of Tony’s deal, somebody else in NY felt revenge was necessary. 4. As far as the street-guys know Phil ordered 3 hits only 2 were complete. If you see target #3, you shoot. 5. Maybe there is dissension in the ranks in NY. Even tough Butchie said he’d look the other way while Tony did what he had to do, maybe others don’t share that vision. 6. Revenge by a relative. Does he have any brothers, cousins outstanding? 7. Perhaps the hit on Tony (assuming / accepting that it was of course) had nothing to do Phil or NY at all. Maybe it was revenge for some old job or whatever. Thing is we’d never know, as Tony wouldn’t. Tony wouldn’t have seen or heard anything. His life would just stop, very suddenly mid thought. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509/220 "2007-06-11T17:42:43Z")
Couple or three dangling questions: 1. Is Hunter not credited? Chase’s daughter not credited? 2. What’s the significance of her appearance in this final episode? Closure? Cameo? 3. Was this final scene done in the place that got all the flap about revealing too much about the ending? Some ice cream parlor or such? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-i-p-sopranos-06-10-07-open-spoilers-after-post-12/407509.md?page=12)